| Greebo | » #592459 Saturday June 9, 2012 at 10:13 | |
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Prometheus was good. Definitely enjoyed Riddley getting back to sci-fi. The visuals were amazing and the plot keys in with the earlier movies pretty well. Was it perfect? No. There are number of little issues that detract, and I guessed the macguffin pretty early. Didn't see it in 3D, so I don't know how well that was done, but I'd want to watch it on Imax. I just want to know one thing: How conscious of a decision was it to have David not only use the same polite tones, but the same accent and same pitch of voice that HAL uses in 2001? Worth seeing. Would be awesome if you stopped the very last scene in the movie half way through, and then watched it *before* Alien. --
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| Quinnaria | » #592479 Sunday June 10, 2012 at 08:44 | |
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Considering Fasbender watched 2001 in order to get the idea of how a "android" should act? I'd say intentional as all get out. I liked Prometheus. Excellently acted, visuals were stunning, CGI was flawless... And there was one scene where the two women were basically covering our eyes going "NONONONONO" a lot. --
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| nattyg | » #592492 Sunday June 10, 2012 at 19:02 | |
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Aside from the aging makeup on weyland, it was pretty damn fantastic. Given a lot of the other technical excellence in the movie, that was just a big "wtf???" mark on it. | |
| dagris | » #592499 Monday June 11, 2012 at 04:13 | |
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Yeah, I liked it well enough. My only real objection to it was that the "alien" conceptualization made me think more of Alien: Ressurection then the original Alien, with them showing no real consistency of form or design. Definitely left the door open for a prequel sequel though too | |
| Quinnaria | » #592500 Monday June 11, 2012 at 09:19 | |
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*hurm* I kinda see your issue with consistency, Dag. But I totally understand what you see... and... Ah heck... Let me see... spoiler tag incoming: Right, there we go. Okay. I totally understand the "there was no consistency between the aliens!" argument. However, I think there wasn't supposed to be - nor SHOULD their have been considering the species we are talking about here.... Do remember, the "facehugger/alien/hivemother" is a constantly evolving creature that changes depending upon the host each time. So, what we saw kill the first two scientist is a facehugger spawned directly from ooze and the worms it touched (hence why they showed worms to us briefly). When the black ooze is introduced directly into a human, this creates the facehugger through sexual intercourse rather than egg-growth - so it is VERY different, and grows to its "egg's" size - the human woman it was in - rather than the little eggpods we've seen before... The Aliens we see all resemble the creature they spawn from - as does the Hivemothers as well... The hivemother we saw at the end - she births the eggs, but dependent upon her source material, the engineer. So yeah, consistency is out the window - because we have a life-form that is constantly evolving depending upon its host. The only stable thing will be the stages - everything else will be drastically different depending on what the facehugger/alien/hivemother came from. So I totally understand why that itched ya - but, I also see why Ridley put it in there and why it is present. That said ;) The Nitpick I had with the movie - is it is very clear that it is intended for the ship to be the same as the one found in Alien. Position, beacon, reason why the Waylen corp wanted it to be searched, etc. HOWEVER, the fact the engineer would NOT be in the chair to be found by the crew itched my brain a bit. I know Ridley was VERY adamant that this was not supposed to be a perfect prequel. Perhaps a "If I had to do it ALL over again, this would be the origin I'd start with." But it still bugged the carp outta me. --
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| dagris | » #592502 Monday June 11, 2012 at 09:35 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria:That said ;) The Nitpick I had with the movie - is it is very clear that it is intended for the ship to be the same as the one found in Alien. Position, beacon, reason why the Waylen corp wanted it to be searched, etc. HOWEVER, the fact the engineer would NOT be in the chair to be found by the crew itched my brain a bit. I know Ridley was VERY adamant that this was not supposed to be a perfect prequel. Perhaps a "If I had to do it ALL over again, this would be the origin I'd start with." But it still bugged the carp outta me. Well, one movie review I saw specifically noted that the planet designations for the movie scene was different in Prometheus then it was in the original Alien (LZ 449 rather then LZ 227 or something like that) so there is a reason why the "set pieces" so to speak would have a different orientation even though they had distinct similarities in both mechanics, orientation, and design. |
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| Eltanyr | » #592503 Monday June 11, 2012 at 10:00 | |
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quote: Originally posted by dagris: quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria:That said ;) The Nitpick I had with the movie - is it is very clear that it is intended for the ship to be the same as the one found in Alien. Position, beacon, reason why the Waylen corp wanted it to be searched, etc. HOWEVER, the fact the engineer would NOT be in the chair to be found by the crew itched my brain a bit. I know Ridley was VERY adamant that this was not supposed to be a perfect prequel. Perhaps a "If I had to do it ALL over again, this would be the origin I'd start with." But it still bugged the carp outta me. Well, one movie review I saw specifically noted that the planet designations for the movie scene was different in Prometheus then it was in the original Alien (LZ 449 rather then LZ 227 or something like that) so there is a reason why the "set pieces" so to speak would have a different orientation even though they had distinct similarities in both mechanics, orientation, and design. I had the same thought. The one nitpick I had seen was that the designs weren't sufficiently gigeresque. I did sort of feel that, seeing this, that a lot of what we were seeing was copied exactly, or was designed with a slicker, less detailed look. Not enough to lessen my enjoyment but proof that they had the right creature conceptualization in the beginning. I liked a lot of the characterizations a lot. It didn't quite turn tropes on their heads, but I was surprised at how many times the characters I was rooting for changed over the course of the movie. |
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| Quinnaria | » #592505 Monday June 11, 2012 at 15:15 | |
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Very true, Dag. As Ridley has stated - this is not a true prequel - this is him defending a beloved film that was about to be "remade" by saying "Holy carp please no, let me have it and I'll do something cool please don't remake it you twits." In a lot of places, he's said he took a lot of liberty with the original - but intends for there to be enough of a "oh, THAT makes sense" to connect back to the originals. Course, we all know that the Aliens movies end with Newt, Ripley and that other guy waking up happy on a remote island somewhere and movies 3 and 4 never happened.... NEVER HAPPENED I SAY! --
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| Dulin | » #592507 Monday June 11, 2012 at 15:54 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria: Course, we all know that the Aliens movies end with Newt, Ripley and that other guy waking up happy on a remote island somewhere and movies 3 and 4 never happened.... NEVER HAPPENED I SAY! Lies. The Alien series ends with Newt, Ripley, and Hicks being found adrift 3 million years later by the crew of the Red Dwarf, and setting course for Fiji. --
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| dagris | » #592533 Tuesday June 12, 2012 at 12:19 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Eltanyr: quote: Originally posted by dagris: quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria:That said ;) The Nitpick I had with the movie - is it is very clear that it is intended for the ship to be the same as the one found in Alien. Position, beacon, reason why the Waylen corp wanted it to be searched, etc. HOWEVER, the fact the engineer would NOT be in the chair to be found by the crew itched my brain a bit. I know Ridley was VERY adamant that this was not supposed to be a perfect prequel. Perhaps a "If I had to do it ALL over again, this would be the origin I'd start with." But it still bugged the carp outta me. Well, one movie review I saw specifically noted that the planet designations for the movie scene was different in Prometheus then it was in the original Alien (LZ 449 rather then LZ 227 or something like that) so there is a reason why the "set pieces" so to speak would have a different orientation even though they had distinct similarities in both mechanics, orientation, and design. I had the same thought. The one nitpick I had seen was that the designs weren't sufficiently gigeresque. I did sort of feel that, seeing this, that a lot of what we were seeing was copied exactly, or was designed with a slicker, less detailed look. Not enough to lessen my enjoyment but proof that they had the right creature conceptualization in the beginning. I liked a lot of the characterizations a lot. It didn't quite turn tropes on their heads, but I was surprised at how many times the characters I was rooting for changed over the course of the movie. I think, really, my biggest gripe with the aliens is that they felt designed back to front in that the script writer had an alien type they wanted to play with and then squeezed it into the movie and left the viewer/fan to figure out some way to justify it. For example, the giant ass facehugger. Does a giant facehugger make sense to impregnate a giant alien? Sure. Does getting a giant facehugger from impregnating a normal human make sense? Not really, and as Quin showed above, it's left to the audience to try and find some logic in it. If you go back to the earlier alien movies though there was logic in alien diversity, such as the dog-alien who ran on all fours and had some canine characteristics after hatching from a dog. It's a cool little tidbit of variety that makes logical biological/genetic sense given the alien's origins. Otherwise I did enjoy the movie for what it was, just would have liked to see a more traditional alien structure :) |
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| Failure | » #592570 Wednesday June 13, 2012 at 05:09 | |
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quote: Originally posted by dagris: quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria:That said ;) The Nitpick I had with the movie - is it is very clear that it is intended for the ship to be the same as the one found in Alien. Position, beacon, reason why the Waylen corp wanted it to be searched, etc. HOWEVER, the fact the engineer would NOT be in the chair to be found by the crew itched my brain a bit. I know Ridley was VERY adamant that this was not supposed to be a perfect prequel. Perhaps a "If I had to do it ALL over again, this would be the origin I'd start with." But it still bugged the carp outta me. Well, one movie review I saw specifically noted that the planet designations for the movie scene was different in Prometheus then it was in the original Alien (LZ 449 rather then LZ 227 or something like that) so there is a reason why the "set pieces" so to speak would have a different orientation even though they had distinct similarities in both mechanics, orientation, and design. The "Engineer" ship featured in Alien and the ship in Prometheus are 2 different ships. One of the many things that riled me up about this movie was that they put in a lot of imagery correlating the 2 ships, which confuses the audience (because they are, after all, 2 different ships on 2 different planets). --
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| Failure | » #592571 Wednesday June 13, 2012 at 05:19 | |
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I think that over all, my most encompassing gripe about this movie is that R.S. basically put himself in a shitty position, which compromises anything he is trying to accomplish in the movie. Don't want to make a direct prequel because it's a) a dead end, b) the series has been shit on and beaten to death. Can't make something entirely new because a) way too much effort to start from scratch b) people will just say "why not just make a prequel to alien, duh?!". As such, there are a lot of things that I feel are put into the movie in a less than cohesive manner in order to fill the "not exactly a prequel but in the same universe" criteria, which is really confusing upon viewing for the first time (especially when you are avoiding information about the movie as to not spoil it). Edit: That said, my friends and I have been knocking things back and forth about the movie for a few days, now... which is why this movie is very good. It isn't Avengers. When I say that, I mean that when I saw Avengers, I really liked it... but that is it for that movie. Would I see it again? Not unless it was on TV and I felt like it. Is there anything to it? Nope, purely fanservice and enjoyment. You can't have a conversation about Avengers, outside of "Hey, remember that part? Yeah, that was really cool. Hulk is awesome!". You can "think" about Prometheus, which is refreshing (especially for the Alien franchise, considering how many derp movies they have squeezed out of it after Alien 3). --
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| kaeble | » #592707 Thursday June 14, 2012 at 01:08 | |
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After reading about this kinda being about Aliens prequel. I am going to wait till this comes out on dvd or can stream it off of Netflix. That went downhill after the first movie. Second was ok. Rest were aweful. This is not worth me having to drive half an hour to see it. I would just rather go see Avengers again.
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