| Guthammer | #5259 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 11:45 | |
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Good news is that Guthammer now has her GM Swiftblade and I will probably just PVP enough to get her exalted with AV. 7-10 matches. The bad news is, yesterday we sucked. Badly. (Or maybe it was any Alliance Stupid day--I had an AV we lost where there were 5-10 people defening a bunker that was destroyed and the graveyard before teh bridge was under attack and needed reinforcements.) I don't know if it was failure to exicute or what, but it was ugly. And leaving after a loss, while providing no feedback or helping make things better does not increase the chance the next time you join an LO PUG that we will do better. I know on some of the matches it seemed like we had no leadership to give people a focus. On others--I have no clue. --
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| Chansobal | #5260 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 12:09 | |
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Discussing AV PUG strats? GL with that. Congratz on your sword though. --
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| Guthammer | #5261 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 12:10 | |
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THe LO groups were WSG/AB. Can't join as group in AV. And yes, AV strat = figuring out how to herd the zerg. --
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| Chansobal | #5262 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 12:13 | |
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Ah well even if you are pre-grouped you can still get rolled by PUGS with ease if you have no leader or 1337 strats.
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| Aayrick | #5263 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 12:43 | |
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Yeah, I think it was an off day for us. I believe I was in a couple of those AB runs with you and honestly, we just had a lot of problems. Part of it, I think, was we just were not communicating enough about what was going on and who needed help where. Anyway, grats on the new blade. I'm still trying to decide which one I want to go for. Take care and good luck. |
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| Gwen | #5264 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 12:52 | |
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Grats on the new blade 
While that statement is true to an extend, there are mods out there that work around it. I use a mod called Stinky Queue that AV-queue ppl in the raid. linkie: http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/4563/stinkyqueue/ |
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| Arkhain | #5265 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 13:53 | |
this is it for a winner! |
the good: http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tarpadpe9.jpg the bad: http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grasskn0.jpg |
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| Kavanagh | #5266 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 14:14 | |
Truthiness and the American Way |
Gut, I feel your pain. I participated in a couple of the AB matches that went on, and I'll comment on the problems I saw, and why I left the group after only two matches: 1) Little communication. People would be under attack and not say anything. People would also move to control points without saying anything, i.e. attack the farm and not tell anyone. 2) Lack of leadership. No one was really *leading* the groups. Thrank gave some direction, which I feel should have been enough, but it seemed to not be enough. 3) Even if Thrank had taken a more active role in leading (and this is not a knock on Thrank, he was being very relaxed and it was probably the only way to do it, as I found out the hard way when I tried to lead), it wouldn't have done any good. Several people were not listening on TS (in fact, some people weren't even *on* TS), and were not following instructions and helping out properly. In the end, we had too many people doing what they wanted to do, and not enough doing what needed to be done. 4) We had a lot of new LO people to the group that weren't used to the way we did things. Add some veterans who weren't playing their best (myself being one of them, I was damned tired), and you'll lose against undergeared Horde (both the pre-form and the PuG we faced while I was in the group were horribly, horribly undergeared, and had a shitty class balance). I mean, even the PuG group couldn't kill me with anything other then focus fire from all the right classes. I had a newly rezzed rogue not be able to kill me when I had 200 mana and 40% health, and I was running away from a bad engagement. That's shitty gear. All in all last night wasn't a very good experience for that LO PvP group. We didn't play like we meant it, and we paid for it. Congratulations on your sword though. The GM swords are friggin' awesome.
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| Eternia | #5267 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 15:31 | |
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They can't nerf it, because all it does is queue everyone up at the same time. You could emulate it without using it. The only thing they could do would be scrambling people in the queue up, but that wouldnt go over so well would it? |
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| Chansobal | #5268 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 15:43 | |
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Yar my point was the fact that they could make it so 1 person cannot queue a whole raid. I.E. how AV was intended to be. Sure you could still do the old 3 2 1 queue countdown. --
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| Zaknarfein | #5269 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 17:50 | |
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Guth you are incorrect you CAN do it as a group with a script just got to find one doing it
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| Cyan_Kazar | #5270 Thursday December 28, 2006 at 20:24 | |
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To control the zerg of alliance in AV, it's pretty simple : Stay calm. That's all, give simple orders, like : Defend SP - Let them cap SH - Kill Galv first - Wait for IB to cap - etc. etc. A bit like talking to an animal or something : less words there is, the more they'll understand. If they complain your tactics are too long to execute, aka the game will last more than 30 minutes, tell them the extra honor they'll get is actually worth it. For AB and WSG... For AB, it's all about having a good strategy and stick to it... Anyone of you got my macros? They're simple, easy to execute, and every newcomer to the raid knows what to do. For WSG, unfortunately, you need awesome gear to win as alliance. Of course facing pugs is always helping, but there's alot more groups farming WSG than AB, especially for horde, since it's way easier for 'em to get honor that way. --
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| Laminor | #5271 Friday December 29, 2006 at 03:19 | |
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I've heard a lot of this since I've taken a break from PvPing and Kav is right. I'm not bragging about myself at all in this but when I stepped up and made it so you listened up and I gave out orders, we won every time. We would AB from 2pm to 2am and we would lose 2 matches and win tons. With the same people there, minus me, people are doing way worse than that. I am a great PvPer, but I don't make an entire games difference every game. One thing you have to learn to do in a PVP group is to assign a leader. If no one steps up, assign someone who has PvP'd a lot. Have someone make a starting battleplan macro (most of you have seen mine) and then give out improv orders over TS as needed. Tonight, I came back to PvPing. We did WSG and we lost 2 and won 5. And WSG definitly isn't our game. Dromith and I simply just stepped up when it came down to leadership, and it was that simple. Hell, we even beat a team of hackers from Frostmourne. There was a mage who was using Presence of Mind, Arcane Power, Dragons Breath, Ice Block/Barrier, Water Elemental, Cold Snap, Etc. Literally every mage talent in the game he had, and we still whooped them. It just takes people to step up. --
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| Cherylynne | #5272 Friday December 29, 2006 at 18:30 | |
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No wonder they always AFK =p If you're itching to PvP and are looking for some experience and I'm on, send me a tell. I'll be happy to join and even act as leader. I've some experience there, and I'm shrewd in AB  I just forget to sometimes look for a group... laziness or lack of time online lol.
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