| Eilarae | #343586 Tuesday November 18, 2008 at 11:52 | |
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Alright So I know what my build when I hit 80 is going to be, which is this: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?tal=50122031253313032130053112310000000000000000000000000000020500300200000000000000000 I am happy with this build, and the talents. I am keeping typhoon because I have used it a TON while soloing and its fun to play with while farming, plus it only cost 1 point. IF mana is that big of an issue, then I will take typhoon out and throw it in another mana regen talent. My question to you all is. Per point which is the best mana regen talent out of the three listed. With my base build I have another 3 points, possibly 4 to put into mana regen talents. With 1 point having to be in moonglow to get into the next tier. I am thinking of 3/3 moonglow and 2/3 and/or 3/3 into Dreamstate. But is Intensity better than either of these two? Where do they come into play vs. each other, on a per point basis? Anyone done any number crunching? --
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| Isfahel-Delyius | #343594 Tuesday November 18, 2008 at 12:43 | |
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For leveling purposes: Moonglow = good. Intensity = good. Typhoon = good. Eclipse != good. Gale Winds != good unless you level by mass pulling and AOE. You could take 5 points from Eclipse and Gale Winds, get moonglow and Intensity, then never worry about mana ever nearly as much. At 500 int, you'd get 50 mp5 from Dreamstate. Based on your armory, assuming ~300 mp5 while not casting, Intensity gives you 90 mp5. As for overall though, you'll want to respec at 80 based on what your gear is like. If you don't have a lot of spirit, your OOC mp5 will be lower and if you have a ton of int, your mp5 from Dreamstate would be higher. It's not really hard math to do, but it will vary based on your gear. Dreamstate mp5 = Int(moonkin form) * .1 (3/3) Intensity mp5 = OOC mp5 * .3 (3/3) --
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| Eilarae | #343597 Tuesday November 18, 2008 at 13:51 | |
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Oh yeah, I'm not having a problem with leveling, my spec has been treating me VERY well. My concern was more of a lvl 80 raiding point of view on the three talents and with my extra points, but with your explanation of the math, it should be easy to figure out at that point in time. --
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| Boshrankus | #343613 Tuesday November 18, 2008 at 16:50 | |
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I might dump one of those points into OoC. From what I have read it is pretty nice now. Its been changed to a passive buff. Also described as 6% proc with 10s cd which actually doesn't seem that great. So i am respeccing to get it tonight and test the usefulness for myself. As for a lvl 80 raid spec, man that's going to be tough- something will have to be sacrificed. I will have to re-read EJ etc. to make my final choices. I feel as our gear gets better small changes will probably be necessary to find the best balance of dmg. vs. regen. i just don't know how the mechanics of a 25 are going to work now, surely it won't be as easy to maintain mana w/o any talents as it was in the weeks before the xpac. Intensity has always been considered superior to Dreamstate, but with the 10% buff to int from furor it seems Dreamstate could be powerful now. But as mentioned before a little napkin math should solve that one. Also, this was posted awhile back, although maybe not accurate now in terms of OoC??: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t26204-moonkin_wotlk_talent_preview_discussion/p37/ And a new thread has started: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36946-moonkins_80_a/ There certainly is no cookie cutter build anymore,I see a lot of experimenting in the future...which actually makes me the most excited of all about our new tree :D Now if I can just find a way to keep owlkin Frenzy... |
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| Isfahel-Delyius | #343746 Wednesday November 19, 2008 at 17:09 | |
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Realistically, Furor increases the effect of Dreamstate by 10% as well...but 10% of 10% increase isn't a whole lot.
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| Sibohan | #343771 Wednesday November 19, 2008 at 20:36 | |
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I'd say this will pretty much be the raiding cookie cutter build. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xG0hiIscdhVhouZbxcub There are three points left for Dreamstate if you need it, otherwise you can get Gale Winds or IFF. IFF is a DPS decrease even with the 3% crit, so it's only worthwhile if a lot of your raid needs the hit. The build assumes you'll have Moonfire glyphed to decrease the initial damage and increase the DoT tick so Improved Moonfire is skippable. |
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| Eilarae | #344403 Monday November 24, 2008 at 14:34 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Sibohan: The build assumes you'll have Moonfire glyphed to decrease the initial damage and increase the DoT tick so Improved Moonfire is skippable. If we have the starfire and moonfire glyph is it pointless to get Nature's Splendor or ImpMF? I always thought the effects just added to it? *edit* Because if they are useless I'm going to try this build in Naxx tonight. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xG0hiIscdhVuRuZbxcub I won't have a Retadin, but I will have an s-priest so I am hoping my mana will be ok. The 3 points in question would be the ones I put into Gale winds and Typhoon. I used them there because I have fun with Typoon while soloing, and I want to be AOE viable. Basically they are 3 points to play with, they are either go there, or into Nature's Splendor and ImpMF based on my question above, or into dreamstate if I am having mana problems. I'll let ya guys know how I do tonight. --
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| Eilarae edited this message on Monday November 24, 2008 at 14:44 | ||
| Eilarae | #344559 Tuesday November 25, 2008 at 12:39 | |
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Well I kicked ass, and only had mana problems during one of the 7 or so boss fights we did. Which was Gluth, and the reason being I was blowing my load during Decimate popping starfall (which is a GREAT spell for that fight) Typhoon, (which is another GREAT spell for that fight) and hurricanes. I never thought I would use Stafall or Typhoon in a raid or that it would be that effective, But after last night, I am glad I spent my points in Galewinds/Starfall/Typhoon. Two particular fights of the ones I did last night; Typhoon and Starfall came in handy. One was Gluth for the Decimate period stunning and tossing back the chow from reaching Gluth and the other was Maexxna, Star fall for the adds why I continue casting on Mae and then if someone got web wrapped, I turned around tossed a typhoon at it and wrath and with the help of everyone else it was down VERY quickly. There are also a lot of AOE packs in Naxx where Galewinds+Hurricane came very handy. I did 2600+ DPS on Patchwork which is a strict dps race, and in a 10man that pretty fantastic for me. My armory is down right now, but you can check it later, my stats are somewhere around (in moonkin form, unbuffed) 1300+ spell dmg 240 hit 260+ haste 18% crit as soon as I hit revered with Kirin Tor I will be trading my RoB2.0 staff for the rep dagger and the badge off hand which should increase stats quite significantly. Plus I’m 450 Elixer Alchy so the 125spell dmg flask with increase stats and duration from being an alchy shoots me through the roof. I am happy. --
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| Ardence_Havrah | #344845 Thursday November 27, 2008 at 12:11 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Eilarae: quote: Originally posted by Sibohan: The build assumes you'll have Moonfire glyphed to decrease the initial damage and increase the DoT tick so Improved Moonfire is skippable. If we have the starfire and moonfire glyph is it pointless to get Nature's Splendor or ImpMF? I always thought the effects just added to it? *edit* Because if they are useless I'm going to try this build in Naxx tonight. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xG0hiIscdhVuRuZbxcub I won't have a Retadin, but I will have an s-priest so I am hoping my mana will be ok. The 3 points in question would be the ones I put into Gale winds and Typhoon. I used them there because I have fun with Typoon while soloing, and I want to be AOE viable. Basically they are 3 points to play with, they are either go there, or into Nature's Splendor and ImpMF based on my question above, or into dreamstate if I am having mana problems. I'll let ya guys know how I do tonight. I use the same build except I trade the 3 in eclipse for 3 in Imp FF. Also I say Intensity is way better then dreamstate. |
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| Eilarae | #345277 Monday December 1, 2008 at 11:23 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Ardence_Havrah: I use the same build except I trade the 3 in eclipse for 3 in Imp FF. Also I say Intensity is way better then dreamstate. Thanks for the input Ardence ^.^ And grats again on your server firsts! I'm having such a grand time with mana and giving my innervates to other people so often I am thinking of getting rid of intensity and putting my points back into impff and see how that rolls! I'm currently 2nd on our dmg metters, topped by our hunter, which has a good 200-500dps lead on me. I have 1 more piece of t7 to get until I get the 4pc extra 5% crit, so maybe that will help a bit :) --
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| Dharielle | #345497 Tuesday December 2, 2008 at 08:39 | |
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Man I've been running oom a lot lately :X Although I think it's cause I'm a starfire, then wrath spammer? So when I'm without a SP/Ret I need to save intensity for myself >.< but I'm undergeared compared to you guys now I think so when i start getting more spi related outfits I probably won't find mana conservation that bad :( --
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| Eilarae | #345514 Tuesday December 2, 2008 at 09:20 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Dharielle: but I'm undergeared compared to you guys now I think so when i start getting more spi related outfits I probably won't find mana conservation that bad :( Yeah that may be the problem, almost all the gear I have upgraded from BC to Wrath has had spirit which my BC sets did not, So I have increased my spirit quite a lot, maybe not as much as a healer, but its defintly up there. I also roll with a ret/spriest/and e-Shammy. So even if one of them dies, I still have the constant mana return. Not sure what your raid make-up is like. --
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| Ardence_Havrah | #345930 Friday December 5, 2008 at 00:52 | |
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http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37048-moonkin_talents_specs_discussion/ This goes talent to talent and explains it all with the math to back it up. |
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