| Alisia | #342437 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 07:04 | |
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With the massive changes I'm wondering if there's any beginner resource you'd suggest for raiding as a retribution paladin? Or actually, what are good rotations to use. Are faster weapons better now with SotM? I tried the EJ thread but it seems muddled right now. http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladins_as_DPS is the other place I've been looking. I know this is a very haphazard way of approaching this, but I'm trying to just soak in as much as possible before say... tomorrow. --
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| Arkhain | #342469 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 07:49 | |
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Stack Strength as your primary stat. Hit is also good, expertise and crit aren't bad, everything else is not priority. Use whatever ability comes up first, between Judgement, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm. It's not set in stone, but the above order works as a decent priority system. Use a slow weapon, preferably. Your seals aren't normalized at all. Slow is good for Martyr, and great for Command. |
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| Alisia | #342495 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 08:17 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: Stack Strength as your primary stat. Hit is also good, expertise and crit aren't bad, everything else is not priority. Use whatever ability comes up first, between Judgement, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm. It's not set in stone, but the above order works as a decent priority system. Use a slow weapon, preferably. Your seals aren't normalized at all. Slow is good for Martyr, and great for Command. Oh good, my instincts were at least mostly right. I've been using command rather than martyr for leveling, just for the burst and not needing more healing. I'm switching to my paladin, if I pass, in wrath. I want to try and know as much as possible so I can hit the ground running. Even if my gear isn't stellar now. But what I have is based around soloing and needing to heal myself (though that's usually with an instant FoL so it's significantly cheaper) so there's a little more int/spellpower to counteract some of the low armor and stamina since I hadn't had time to really instance her with doing raiding on my rogue >_< http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silver%20Hand&n=varvara I was getting about 700 dps self buffed in that gear, and with not knowing if I were low or high, I thought it was worth checkign my technique --
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| Todyn | #342513 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 09:03 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Alisia: quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: Stack Strength as your primary stat. Hit is also good, expertise and crit aren't bad, everything else is not priority. Use whatever ability comes up first, between Judgement, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm. It's not set in stone, but the above order works as a decent priority system. Use a slow weapon, preferably. Your seals aren't normalized at all. Slow is good for Martyr, and great for Command. Oh good, my instincts were at least mostly right. I've been using command rather than martyr for leveling, just for the burst and not needing more healing. I'm switching to my paladin, if I pass, in wrath. I want to try and know as much as possible so I can hit the ground running. Even if my gear isn't stellar now. But what I have is based around soloing and needing to heal myself (though that's usually with an instant FoL so it's significantly cheaper) so there's a little more int/spellpower to counteract some of the low armor and stamina since I hadn't had time to really instance her with doing raiding on my rogue >_< http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silver%20Hand&n=varvara I was getting about 700 dps self buffed in that gear, and with not knowing if I were low or high, I thought it was worth checkign my technique What Ark said is very good for beginners, if you want to learn more specific details, we can talk about it more later :) Posting it right now, would probably get you more confused. |
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| Alisia | #342517 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 09:12 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Todyn: What Ark said is very good for beginners, if you want to learn more specific details, we can talk about it more later :) Posting it right now, would probably get you more confused. Try pming me. I've been enough of a theory crafting junky for druids/hunters/rogues that I should be a quick learner. But right now it's more of a what little I know about warriors combined with the spells overall description and what I knew about pallies from when I was leveling as holy or prot... And when the EJ thread's main page is dated back until before 2.4... that's a bit of an issue. When they're the usual people I go to when I'm jumping in. --
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| Paks | #342557 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 10:43 | |
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
Try this: http://cromfel.battlefield.fi/ That would be the Maintankadin of the Ret Pally world, except without the cess pool that Maintankadin has started devolving into. --
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| Alisia | #342561 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 10:48 | |
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Ooo Thank you Paks! --
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| Maloar | #342593 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 11:32 | |
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Since SotM sill works with weapon dmg (22% MW I believe after the nerf) a slower weapon would still be my pick. Haste however will affect it more then SoC(which is pretty much a PvP seal now that it's been nerfed) |
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| Gyrik | #342605 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 12:11 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Paks: Try this: http://cromfel.battlefield.fi/ That would be the Maintankadin of the Ret Pally world, except without the cess pool that Maintankadin has started devolving into. Meh, it's only because a) Everyone's waiting for Wrath and have nothing to work on, and b) a lot of people have a bee up their butt about paladins these days (in both directions). Give it a week into Wrath and things will settle down, and most importantly the WotLK forum will be closed and locked. That said, aye, Cromfel's is your resource. --
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| Arkhain | #342677 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 15:22 | |
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this is it for a winner! |
If you'd like details, please feel free to poke me. I'd stick with Command for leveling, as well. OMG WTF DEEPS isn't necessary for ret to do well, but saving mana and not being forced to heal after judging is a good thing. |
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| Todyn | #342789 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 18:58 | |
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Single Target Rotation: Crusader's Strike (6 second cd) Judgement of Martyr (8 second cd) Divine Storm (10 second cd) Consecrate (if mana is not an issue) AoE trash: Consecration Divine Storm Judgement of Martyr Crusader Strike Keep in mind, these rotations are for raid settings. For solo/leveling: Seal of Command, or heck, even seal of vengeance For now it seems, Str/AP is more of a gain in DPS than Hit capped. Slow weapon does not necessarily mean better for DPS, just pick weapon with highest DPS overall. Haste = good, but dont go out of your way to get it. Haste = more Seal of Martyr procs. cromfel is an excellent site, also try googling: retpaladin.com |
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| Todyn | #342794 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 19:19 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Alisia: quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: Stack Strength as your primary stat. Hit is also good, expertise and crit aren't bad, everything else is not priority. Use whatever ability comes up first, between Judgement, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm. It's not set in stone, but the above order works as a decent priority system. Use a slow weapon, preferably. Your seals aren't normalized at all. Slow is good for Martyr, and great for Command. Oh good, my instincts were at least mostly right. I've been using command rather than martyr for leveling, just for the burst and not needing more healing. I'm switching to my paladin, if I pass, in wrath. I want to try and know as much as possible so I can hit the ground running. Even if my gear isn't stellar now. But what I have is based around soloing and needing to heal myself (though that's usually with an instant FoL so it's significantly cheaper) so there's a little more int/spellpower to counteract some of the low armor and stamina since I hadn't had time to really instance her with doing raiding on my rogue >_< http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silver%20Hand&n=varvara I was getting about 700 dps self buffed in that gear, and with not knowing if I were low or high, I thought it was worth checkign my technique Dont gem for int :) For solo purposes: i use Blessing of Wisdom and judge on every CD, this way, I hardly have any mana issues. |
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| Arkhain | #342810 Wednesday November 12, 2008 at 20:29 | |
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Vengeance is bad; it scales poorly for Ret's slow swings and weapon damage. Slow weapons are better for DPS. The focus on instants that scale with weapon damage is enormous, making .20 speed worth ~10 weapon DPS or so. Haste is underwhelming. What used to be good was quickly outstripped by over 50% of your Martyr procs ignoring haste (from instants) and your white damage falling down to ~20% total from 50. ArP is still also underwhelming. That's why they're tertiary stats. |
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| Alisia | #342956 Thursday November 13, 2008 at 12:39 | |
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Can I proclaim my severe embarrassment with my issues of reading comprehension? I swear that I thought Sanctified Wrath said that while it increased the crit of hammer of wrath and reduced the cooldown on avenging wrath it made it so that YOU took 50% more damage when avenging wrath was active... You wouldn't guess that I got a 680 on the verbal portion of the GRE somedays. edit: and as for the gemming for int, they were cheap, like cheaper than uncut gems cheap. Figured it would give me a little bit of a boost for fighting groups I might have to heal through. But yeah, I really find I didn't have to socket that way at all. I may well regem those two. --
Ghostcrawler: "Rogue talents are hard because the class is ultimately very mathy." Ghostcrawler is secretly Barbie? |
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| Alisia | #343377 Monday November 17, 2008 at 07:08 | |
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Well the hints and tips seem to be working. I am loving ret so much. But then this expansion seems perfect for it. Between the AOE stuns and repentance I'm having a great time being cc, great dps, and some emergency healing. Also so much better survivability than my rogue it's almost depressing. I actually saved a group the other day by crit LoHing the druid tank for 20k. It basically filled up his entire healthbar from 10%. *giggles* Soo much fun. And divine plea is the best thing since sliced bread. --
Ghostcrawler: "Rogue talents are hard because the class is ultimately very mathy." Ghostcrawler is secretly Barbie? |
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