| Greebo | #321688 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 15:21 | |
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I am not one of those people who needs to run UAC and it's one of the things I cannot stand about Vista. But, there are three things it has going for it: 1. It's easy enough to turn off. :> 2. I read an article with one of MS's developers about the purpose of UAC. It's primary purpose is not to protect the end-user, but to make third-party developers write their applications so that they work within one level of system activity. That is a good idea, IMHO. Allowing any given program Admin access is a possible avenue for trouble. 3. In a review of 20 current anti-virus programs, specifically to test if they could catch the latest, know, rootkits, none of them caught every rootkit. However, UAC reported the activity *every one*. That's pretty damned handy if you're not willing to loose your system reload from scratch at any given moment. My primary PC at home runs XP, my secondary system runs Vista Ultimate 64bit, and I have a PC at work that runs Vista Professional 64bit. (and Ubuntu.) There are some things I cannot stand about Vista, but they're almost all UI issues. Things that you can just get used to, or change. (Like turning off UAC.) Most of the functional problems, incompatibilities and what not, I avoid by using XP on my primary PC. Really, it is a lot like when XP first came out, and people were used to 98 or 2000. If you can try Vista out first, do so. Nothing like forming your own opinion from experience. --
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| Pantzeri | #321749 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 20:12 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Ook: quote: Originally posted by Xier: UAC seems to me to be more of a tool for people who don't really know what they're doing, it just causes you to think twice about that program you want to run/install. I disabled UAC on my wifes computer because it annoyed her, while I myself don't mind typing in my password occasionally. Either way it's very easy to disable. Okay there's a couple of misconceptions about UAC I've noticed here and unfortunately Xier touched on my most precious one... Those who hate UAC usually tend to need it the most... Here's a quick question that will answer whether or not you should be running UAC... Do you have accounts setup in such a way that you need to log in as Admin to do anything? No? Then you are like over 90% of the populace and need to be running UAC! Break it down folks that's ALL UAC really is, is a way for Windows to combat one of the most prevalent weak links... the user... who in their infinite stupidity makes their main account the admin so they don't have to be bothered... And thus virii and trojons have a field day because since you have permission and set up your computer in such a way that you don't have to constantly put in permission for things to load.. they can load without you knowing.... Personally I consider myself fairly tech savvy... I still run UAC, I like knowing what's running and trying to run. It becomes akin to replacing the doorknob in the bathroom... sure there's a couple of nights you smack your knuckles because your not thinking and it's frustrating, but you'll get used to it! And yes to adress another comment Vista is a resource hog.. but so are these games we're addicted to! If you wish to rescind back to the computational powers of a Tandy HX1000 running DOS 3.1 feel free....(btw that was my first real computer heheheh) I personally prefer the advanced power granted to me and am willing to get a bit more machine to handle it.... When you hear the adage that a computer is outdated 3 months after you buy it or buy the time you buy it, they're not far off... but that is assuming you are riding the edge of technology which few of us are... So if you buy a crappy 486 to surf the internet, listen to music, and type documents and your needs never change then you will never have to replace the 486 unless it goes bad... If your needs are always changing because you want to keep playing the latest and greatest then realize you will be replacing you computer about every 3-5 years ::shrug:: I'm smarter than 90% of the population (with computers) and take common sense measures to protect myself, I don't need my OS to tell me I can't use this or this because it thinks I'll be stupid* For one, UAC is preventing me from using powershell to export mail files to PST files that's really annoying when I have to load Outlook and pull a mail file thats about 500 MB over a line that might as well be dialup *I've worked at a helpdesk and seen what the typical know it all user is, I'm not that person --
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| Paks | #321766 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 21:57 | |
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
Actually, Ook, I consider it more akin to having three deadbolts, chains, and a wheel lock on your bathroom door but leaving your front door wide open with a sign on it that says "Burglars welcome! Free chips and drinks!" UAC does nothing good at *all*. The reason it does nothing good is it's too frequent and too annoying. It becomes like the popup at the Auction House. "Are you sure you really wanna spend 45g on this Primal Water?" >Click Yes< Oh snap, I meant to buy the two Primal Waters for 50g! People will click through it. Guaranteed. I get around issues with programs by running Firefox, visiting trusted sites, being paranoid about settings for untrusted sites, and scanning with multiple tools anything I download. I don't need Windows to be bothering me every 30 seconds. EDIT: This was touched on earlier as well. Look up Security Theater. That's what UAC is. It makes you feel more secure while simultaneously introducing habits that make you less secure. --
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| Dulin | #321776 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 22:42 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Terrem: quote: Originally posted by Dulin: I just want to say, for the record, that I had WinME running on multiple machines without crashes for over 2 years. I was as shocked as anyone. You should go buy a lottery ticket. Or 10. :P Unfortunately, my exceptional luck is limited to Windows Millenium and hunting Whelplings. I've never needed more than 45m to get the one I want to drop. Usually, it happens within the first 10 kills. --
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| Ook | #321779 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 23:08 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Paks: UAC does nothing good at *all*. The reason it does nothing good is it's too frequent and too annoying. It becomes like the popup at the Auction House. "Are you sure you really wanna spend 45g on this Primal Water?" >Click Yes< Oh snap, I meant to buy the two Primal Waters for 50g! ROFL this feel like my rant on the whole lifting the handle on the car door to lock it! Once it's become ingrained into you to lift the handle it is no longer effective against locking in your keys because now it's muscle memory and no longer requiring any thought. and I do agree it's not for everyone, Kinda like spyware, firewall, and antivirus! I know peeps who run very safely without all because they know what's safe and what's not and surf accordingly.. then again I know others who could run everything maxxed out and still get a virus in a week! All depends on the user! --
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