| Paks | #321505 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 01:08 | |
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Pardon, but one thing XP fixed was that when you uninstall something, it actually deletes files. Going back to bad practice is not a step forward IMO. There's also the not-insignificant fact that a lot of people are pissed over their older computer no longer being supported. Vista is the least user-friendly OS I've ever seen straight out of the box. It does not indicate anywhere that I can tell that older computers will run poorly with Vista. It doesn't even define "older computers" correctly, and Vista comes default installed on "systems that have no business running it" because Microsoft won't allow XP installs by vendors. Now, if it's like XP, as opposed to WinME, I'll probably do an install of it. And I'll do so to test things out about 6-8 months before SP2 is announced. And it won't suck. (This is what made me switch to XP from 2K Workstation.) Until then, though, I'm not entirely certain I want to risk installing it on my machine and losing access to everything else. --
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| Magi | #321506 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 01:34 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Paks: Pardon, but one thing XP fixed was that when you uninstall something, it actually deletes files. Going back to bad practice is not a step forward IMO. There's also the not-insignificant fact that a lot of people are pissed over their older computer no longer being supported. Vista is the least user-friendly OS I've ever seen straight out of the box. It does not indicate anywhere that I can tell that older computers will run poorly with Vista. It doesn't even define "older computers" correctly, and Vista comes default installed on "systems that have no business running it" because Microsoft won't allow XP installs by vendors. Now, if it's like XP, as opposed to WinME, I'll probably do an install of it. And I'll do so to test things out about 6-8 months before SP2 is announced. And it won't suck. (This is what made me switch to XP from 2K Workstation.) Until then, though, I'm not entirely certain I want to risk installing it on my machine and losing access to everything else. Well I have vista ultimate 64bit running just fine on my system, and I am able to play all games made for Windows XP or Vista without any problems, and I can even play some games that were made win 98 or dos when using compatibility mode. I will give ya the point about it not being as user friendly though, and as for the requirements you really should not get any system with vista on it that has less than 2GB of Ram and at least a current generation dual core processor |
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| Toragan | #321516 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 04:04 | |
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It's a huge memory hog and until the pros outweigh the cons for me I won't give it the time of day. Just my 2 cents.
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| Kavanagh | #321522 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 05:49 | |
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I recall all the exact same complaints and concerns about WinXP, Win2K, etc etc when they first came out. It'll grow, it'll become more stable, people will learn how to use it, and eventually it'll become the norm. Personally, I have "normal" windows problems with it that I encountered even on XP. I'm used to its idiosynchrosies now, and since I have a system that has the hardware to run it, I don't have any speed issues. --
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| Vemika | #321537 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 07:21 | |
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I admittedly took to heart a large part of the critical bashing of Vista when it first came out, and I still have XP on my system. My reason, though, is more for the compatibility issue: I've spent a hefty sum on PC games, going all the way back to the 9X days, and I've heard some rather unkind things about how Vista runs programs that old (if it will at all). And I admit it's a long shot, but if I ever want to go back and play through those games again (Baldur's Gate / Planescape especially) I don't want the OS to just shrug at me and tell me it must be human error. That and I do find UAC to be particularly annoying, though I've heard that it was specifically designed to be that way to force programmers to write programs that do not rely on administrator-level privileges. --
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| Kavanagh | #321538 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 07:38 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Vemika: That and I do find UAC to be particularly annoying, though I've heard that it was specifically designed to be that way to force programmers to write programs that do not rely on administrator-level privileges. The UAC is that warning that pops up almost every time you do something, right? That's easy to turn off, actually. --
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| Dulin | #321548 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 08:19 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Paks: Vista is the least user-friendly OS I've ever seen straight out of the box. It does not indicate anywhere that I can tell that older computers will run poorly with Vista. This, I have to admit, is one of the things I liked most about Win2K: I went to install it on my parents' machine, it analysed the hardware, and told me 'I could install... but if I do, I'll cause a critical fault and be unrecoverable. Don't do this upgrade. Don't be that guy.' And you know, I appreciated that. quote: Now, if it's like XP, as opposed to WinME, I'll probably do an install of it. I just want to say, for the record, that I had WinME running on multiple machines without crashes for over 2 years. I was as shocked as anyone. --
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| Terrem | #321562 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 09:00 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Dulin: I just want to say, for the record, that I had WinME running on multiple machines without crashes for over 2 years. I was as shocked as anyone. You should go buy a lottery ticket. Or 10. :P Amusing sidenote about Windows ME: inside Cafe 9 on Microsoft campus, they have a timeline of all MS OSes, from DOS all the way through Windows Server 2k8. Noticably absent from this timeline, however, is Windows ME. And, the sad part: Windows ME actually made a fairly significant amount of money... -.- --
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| Alisia | #321565 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 09:07 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Dulin: This, I have to admit, is one of the things I liked most about Win2K: I went to install it on my parents' machine, it analysed the hardware, and told me 'I could install... but if I do, I'll cause a critical fault and be unrecoverable. Don't do this upgrade. Don't be that guy.' And you know, I appreciated that. I think my favorite flavor of windows is still the Media Center version. Though that's followed pretty closely by Win2k Professional. But there's just something cool about my laptop going "Oh hey! There's your xbox! You wanna play movies on it?" --
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| Eitan | #321578 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 09:40 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Vemika: I admittedly took to heart a large part of the critical bashing of Vista when it first came out, and I still have XP on my system. My reason, though, is more for the compatibility issue: I've spent a hefty sum on PC games, going all the way back to the 9X days, and I've heard some rather unkind things about how Vista runs programs that old (if it will at all). And I admit it's a long shot, but if I ever want to go back and play through those games again (Baldur's Gate / Planescape especially) I don't want the OS to just shrug at me and tell me it must be human error. That is one thing that drives me nuts. All the 2d BG/planescape/IWD-type games don't work. There may be a way to fix it though compatibility mode certainly didn't do it. Wow works fine, albeit slower than on XP. |
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| Toragan | #321579 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 09:45 | |
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Yeah that's one of the cons for me. Knowing alot of my old games won't run on Vista.
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| Zaddy | #321629 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 12:14 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Terrem: quote: Originally posted by Dulin: I just want to say, for the record, that I had WinME running on multiple machines without crashes for over 2 years. I was as shocked as anyone. You should go buy a lottery ticket. Or 10. :P Amusing sidenote about Windows ME: inside Cafe 9 on Microsoft campus, they have a timeline of all MS OSes, from DOS all the way through Windows Server 2k8. Noticably absent from this timeline, however, is Windows ME. And, the sad part: Windows ME actually made a fairly significant amount of money... -.- Hehe, in another of the buildings on MS campus, there's a big poster of each of the CD's signed by devs and managers and the like. ME is there, but....very few signatures. --
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| Ornalis | #321662 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 14:30 | |
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I'd be curious to hear about phone home stuff. I secure my stuff in other ways, so I've managed to avoid installation of WGA and it's phone home crap on my XP boxes. I seem to recall hearing that you were stuck with it if you installed Vista, but I could be wrong. Anyone have any information on that sort of thing? I'd also be interested in any stories about upgrade attempts - if Vista gave you crap because it suddenly thought it wasn't the same machine any more and you were trying to be a dirty, dirty pirate or something. (yes, I'm opinionated when it comes to Vista and MS, but I'd love to be proved wrong, I loved some of the details I heard about DX10 and the new driver model in Vista ... :) --
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| Ook | #321663 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 14:31 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Xier: UAC seems to me to be more of a tool for people who don't really know what they're doing, it just causes you to think twice about that program you want to run/install. I disabled UAC on my wifes computer because it annoyed her, while I myself don't mind typing in my password occasionally. Either way it's very easy to disable. Okay there's a couple of misconceptions about UAC I've noticed here and unfortunately Xier touched on my most precious one... Those who hate UAC usually tend to need it the most... Here's a quick question that will answer whether or not you should be running UAC... Do you have accounts setup in such a way that you need to log in as Admin to do anything? No? Then you are like over 90% of the populace and need to be running UAC! Break it down folks that's ALL UAC really is, is a way for Windows to combat one of the most prevalent weak links... the user... who in their infinite stupidity makes their main account the admin so they don't have to be bothered... And thus virii and trojons have a field day because since you have permission and set up your computer in such a way that you don't have to constantly put in permission for things to load.. they can load without you knowing.... Personally I consider myself fairly tech savvy... I still run UAC, I like knowing what's running and trying to run. It becomes akin to replacing the doorknob in the bathroom... sure there's a couple of nights you smack your knuckles because your not thinking and it's frustrating, but you'll get used to it! And yes to adress another comment Vista is a resource hog.. but so are these games we're addicted to! If you wish to rescind back to the computational powers of a Tandy HX1000 running DOS 3.1 feel free....(btw that was my first real computer heheheh) I personally prefer the advanced power granted to me and am willing to get a bit more machine to handle it.... When you hear the adage that a computer is outdated 3 months after you buy it or buy the time you buy it, they're not far off... but that is assuming you are riding the edge of technology which few of us are... So if you buy a crappy 486 to surf the internet, listen to music, and type documents and your needs never change then you will never have to replace the 486 unless it goes bad... If your needs are always changing because you want to keep playing the latest and greatest then realize you will be replacing you computer about every 3-5 years ::shrug:: --
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| Agbaar | #321670 Wednesday August 20, 2008 at 14:42 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Alisia: I think my favorite flavor of windows is still the Media Center version. Though that's followed pretty closely by Win2k Professional. But there's just something cool about my laptop going "Oh hey! There's your xbox! You wanna play movies on it?" Heh, that's what I still work on. I remember the discussions about what the exact text in that bubble should be. --
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