| Sorronn | #321378 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 14:33 | |
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In another thread you said that 64 bit Vista Ultimate blows the doors off XP. That's the first real endorsement of Vista that I have heard ever. Can you give me a rundown of why you feel that way, what's better, etc.? Most discussions of Vista tend to blast it but most of them also focus on lesser incarnations of Vista. If there's a decent (or even good) version of Vista to consider, I might consider making the switch. --
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| Eilarae | #321384 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 15:11 | |
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Glad you brought this up, becasue when I saw Ooks comment I was curious as well. I am running a 32bit vista machine with 4gigs of ram and a geforce 8800. I am thinking of passing it down to the wife, using her comp as a server, and getting myself a 64bit vista machine. I love the 32bit one, but like I said, for the hardware I have in it, It would probably be running a lot better on XP. All I know is I still can't run crysis on maximum settings and that pisses me off :) Plus I want to be able to run Fallout 3 on max when it comes out! Advise me OOOKster! --
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| Zaddy | #321385 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 15:11 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Sorronn: In another thread you said that 64 bit Vista Ultimate blows the doors off XP. That's the first real endorsement of Vista that I have heard ever. Can you give me a rundown of why you feel that way, what's better, etc.? Most discussions of Vista tend to blast it but most of them also focus on lesser incarnations of Vista. If there's a decent (or even good) version of Vista to consider, I might consider making the switch. There are things I cannot discuss about Vista or XP that I know. But what I can say is this: There are things that I know have been fixed in Vista that will never be fixed in XP. The best way i can put it is. If I had to recommend one or the other to my mother, I'd recommend Vista. There are numerous reasons for this. I know that there are issues with graphics. it doesn't perform quite as well as on XP, I can't explain that away. Vista does much better when it has enough memory. I can't recommend less than 2G. More is better. As for 64 bit? I am still unsure if drivers have been suitably fixed to make this viable for many hardware setups, especially if you build your own. 32 bit drivers have been more stable. Disclaimer: I know stuff about XP and Vista. I still use a Mac. --
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| Eilarae | #321386 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 15:14 | |
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I think the thing that has pissed me off the most about vista32 is when i First got it I was at FLYING speeds, every sense I updated to SP1 My machine feels so slow, and is now slower than my old comp on XP, which my wife is using. I have ran degfrag programs and Ad-aware and nothing seems to help it... makes me wanna cry some times. QQ --
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| Roberth | #321392 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 15:31 | |
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All I know is, Maximum PC, PC Gamer, and CPU magazine - the heavies in computer mag industry - have yet to say definitively that Vista beats XP. They use Vista for alot of their benchmarks mainly because so many computers now are using it. However, for gaming purposes they recommend XP solely. Of course, they also recommend dual-booting Vista and XP. :P I guess for the pretty and the solid performance. I use XP and will not upgrade to Vista, particularly with the new Windows OS on the near horizon. Too...my next computer may be a return to my first computer I ever owned...and Apple. My first was the beloved Apple IIc. :D --
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| Pantzeri | #321394 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 15:32 | |
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The only reason I use Vista is because my boss forced it on me on my first day needless to say, I'm staying XP as long as possible, and either going OSX or waiting windows 7 out --
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| Paks | #321410 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 16:15 | |
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I have yet to see anything at all that would indicate to me that Vista is anything other than what WinME was: A functioning OS (XP for Vista, 98SE for Millenium) with a bunch of innards twisted and a UI change that caused massive chaos and confusion and is destined to fall by the wayside.
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| Terrem | #321415 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 16:50 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Paks: I have yet to see anything at all that would indicate to me that Vista is anything other than what WinME was: A functioning OS (XP for Vista, 98SE for Millenium) with a bunch of innards twisted and a UI change that caused massive chaos and confusion and is destined to fall by the wayside. ::waves his hand Jedi-style:: WinME doesn't exist. It never did. As for Vista, I can't honestly say that it's worth the money to go out and upgrade your current machine (unless you do lots of media center stuff that I don't; it's probably worth it then); but it's a solid OS, even mildly better than XP. I'm running 64-bit vista on my new gaming rig, and the only issues I've had is some mild quirkiness with 64-bit IE7 (but Firefox works in those instances just fine). Everything else runs smoothly. --
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| Magi | #321445 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 19:01 | |
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Well from a purely technical standpoint if you have 4 gigs of system memory (aka RAM) and the rest of your hardware is Vista 64bit compatible then I would recomened moving to Vista 64 for the following reasons. Only a 64bit OS can handle more than 3.5 gigs of RAM. Vista 64 and XP 64 support Mutiple CPU's. 64bit applications running on a 64bit system will run faster than a 32bit application running on a 32bit or 64bit system. A good example of this is Farcry. update it to the latest patch and then launch the 32bit and 64bit versions. You will notice a decent increase in the FPS on the 65bit version especially with Multi CPU turned on. (note: the version of farcry that is purchased on steam does not have 64bit support) So if your game will take advantage of mutiple CPU's and/or supports running in native 64bit, then I would highly recomdend that you consider making the upgrade. Examples of those games are Crysis, Farcry (after the latest update), Farcry2, and most other FPS games coming out now. World of warcraft does have mutiple CPU support however it is still a 32bit game right now. Also with the latest version of the Nvidia Drivers you can now off load the Physics calulations to the GPU thus freeing up CPU Resources and in some cases this can significantly increase the frame rate of your games. As always before playing any online games, make sure that you have Avast Home Edition, Nod32, or AGV Free Edition installed. A good Antivirus will go a long ways towards helping to keep you protected from malicious programs. Norton and Mcafee are good at what they do. However they suffer from the commercial bloat ware syndrome that you see alot with other commercial software that tries to do everything. If you install norton or Mcafee on a system, especially and old one then be prepared to see a slight to noticible slow down of the PC. On my old PC I noticed a 15% performance gain when I switched from Norton to Avast about 2 years ago. Personally I believe an Antivirus program should only do one thing and that is protect you from viruses and trojan's. If I want a adware / Malware blocker, or firewall software then I will get a program that does just that and nothing else. |
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| Ook | #321453 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 20:10 | |
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Sorry about taking so long to get to this! lol Basically the thing I'd point out to those who loathe vista or even 64 bit is what exactly are their complaints and then apply the cause seeking principle of 5 why's to it... Once you break that down it all comes to almost the same thing! Rarely is the problem an actual bug with vista, it's either the company that makes what they want to use hasn't gotten their heads outta their rumps and written anything compatable or they don't want to learn a new system! That's about 90% of the problems! If you notice now, M$ has forced them to accept vista and it's getting harder to find currently supported software/peripherals that aren't vista compatable... NOW MS is forcing the 64 bit issue that they backed off of when XP was out... and NOW more things are being updated daily to be compatible! I was running vista for almost a year before it came out with the beta client and every evolution got better and better. YES it takes about double the resources that xp did.. but if you toss out the inferior trite they release between 98 and xp you'll notice that almost every evolution of windows has done the same. When vista launched it was far more stable than xp was after SP2 was released! So yes I'm a complete M$ whore I admit it! However if you get a machine that's REALLY ready for vista then the results are quite significant when compared to XP! Oh and here are my feelings Vista Requirements Vista Home Premium Dual Core processor of at least 1.8 per 2G Ram 100g HDD My Vista Recommendation Vista Ultimate Quad core processor 4g or more memory 100g OS HDD 250g more for everything non OS --
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| Xier | #321456 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 20:41 | |
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While this is not technical at all, I think it's still a valid point. Microsoft was doing a study not long ago where they showed people who expressed a dislike of Vista their "new" operating system. They took them through how to use various features step by step, and had it set up on a higher end machine that could handle everything. Nearly everyone in the focus group commented how this new OS was much better than Vista, and they couldn't wait to beging using it. It was at this point MS revealed that they had just printed up a new box and put a fancy name on it... I think alot of issues people have with Vista at this point are perceptions, because so many people have said so many bad things about it. I myself have been using Vista on my 3 machines since it came out; 2 fairly good desktops and a slightly older laptop, and have yet to have an issue. Every issue that I personally have seen with Vista has been from either a driver issue because the company didn't put enough work into Vista, or because someone was trying to run it on an older machine that really had no business running Vista in the first place. --
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| Aquilae | #321464 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 21:26 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Xier: Every issue that I personally have seen with Vista has been from either a driver issue because the company didn't put enough work into Vista, or because someone was trying to run it on an older machine that really had no business running Vista in the first place. My problems with Vista stem from 2 facts: 1) User Access Control. Look up "Security Theater" someday. This provides users with the illusion of security but doesn't actually improve it much, while being annoying and intrusive at the same time. 2) Corrupted drivers cannot be deleted or reinstalled. I had a core Vista driver (cdrom.sys) become corrupted on my laptop. I could not reinstall it, because Vista insisted that I had the most current version and would not let me reinstall it anyway. I could not delete it and force a reinstall that way, because when I tried deleting the file, Vista decided I didn't know what I was doing and quietly (without telling me) put it back. The only way to fix this problem (and get my CD-ROM drive working) was to restore my system with the CD provided by the laptop manufacturer... which meant I had to back up all my data, restore the system, reinstall all my applications, and copy the data back over -- just to get my CD-ROM working. Thanks, but I'll take an OS that lets me fix a corrupted driver file without doing a complete system restore - like XP. Or OS X. Or Linux. I *would* wish Vista on my worst enemies. |
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| Nimerix | #321466 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 21:40 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Sorronn: In another thread you said that 64 bit Vista Ultimate blows the doors off XP. That's the first real endorsement of Vista that I have heard ever. Can you give me a rundown of why you feel that way, what's better, etc.? Most discussions of Vista tend to blast it but most of them also focus on lesser incarnations of Vista. If there's a decent (or even good) version of Vista to consider, I might consider making the switch. 64bit vista FTW. Take advantage of all your processing power as well as 4Gigs + of ram. |
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| Nimerix | #321470 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 21:42 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Aquilae: quote: Originally posted by Xier: Every issue that I personally have seen with Vista has been from either a driver issue because the company didn't put enough work into Vista, or because someone was trying to run it on an older machine that really had no business running Vista in the first place. My problems with Vista stem from 2 facts: 1) User Access Control. Look up "Security Theater" someday. This provides users with the illusion of security but doesn't actually improve it much, while being annoying and intrusive at the same time. 2) Corrupted drivers cannot be deleted or reinstalled. I had a core Vista driver (cdrom.sys) become corrupted on my laptop. I could not reinstall it, because Vista insisted that I had the most current version and would not let me reinstall it anyway. I could not delete it and force a reinstall that way, because when I tried deleting the file, Vista decided I didn't know what I was doing and quietly (without telling me) put it back. The only way to fix this problem (and get my CD-ROM drive working) was to restore my system with the CD provided by the laptop manufacturer... which meant I had to back up all my data, restore the system, reinstall all my applications, and copy the data back over -- just to get my CD-ROM working. Thanks, but I'll take an OS that lets me fix a corrupted driver file without doing a complete system restore - like XP. Or OS X. Or Linux. I *would* wish Vista on my worst enemies. 1. Control panel-> user accounts -> disable UAC 2. Uninstall the driver and select "delete driver files" |
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| Xier | #321482 Tuesday August 19, 2008 at 22:03 | |
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UAC seems to me to be more of a tool for people who don't really know what they're doing, it just causes you to think twice about that program you want to run/install. I disabled UAC on my wifes computer because it annoyed her, while I myself don't mind typing in my password occasionally. Either way it's very easy to disable. Vista is more secure than XP ever was. Is it perfect? No, but nothing ever will be. Some things will be less targeted than others and seem more secure, but nothing will ever be completely secure. In the end, security is always the users responsibility. Unfortunately since people don't want to take that responsibility, companies are forced to create tools like UAC to compensate for our laziness by being very annoying and prominent with security warnings. As far as the driver issue you mentioned, i've uninstalled and reinstalled drivers a number of times on Vista machines, with no problems, so i'm not sure how to respond to that. Maybe you just had bad luck? I really don't know. --
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