| Roberth | #318992 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 11:36 | |
Holy "Diver!" Priest |
WoW Insider has the forum post that started all the QQing. That does beg the question: Does LO loot policy award loot strictly on the basis of points (assuming shroud bids solely) or is there a mechanic built in where the Raid Lead can decide that an item such as this is deserving more to a particular class than another? Personally, I feel enough people who raid with LO are less loot whores and more about seeing the progression of their fellows. --
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| Telumehtar | #318995 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 11:45 | |
TBD Lead |
My understanding is if you have the points and desire, you can outbid anyone for anything. Granted it probably won't earn you very many friends, and likely pop you on a lot of folks black lists, but I don't believe the point rules as stated prevent this. Could be wrong though, and if a OL or another CL wants to point me to a clause where a CL can override something like this, I'd be all ears. --
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| Paks | #319018 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 12:43 | |
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
Well. No, there's no mechanism that prevents a rogue from bidding shroud and winning a legendary weapon. That being said, if you come in and shroud-bomb on a legendary item that's really only peripheral to your class, you can be pretty sure that it's going to fall under an asshat move and you're highly unlikely to ever get slotted again. If a Charter Lead prevented it from happening, I'm really not sure how this would play out, but it would be a firestorm, that's for sure. --
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| Mordran | #319022 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 12:57 | |
Dances in Fire |
I know of one guild (Vodka) that has seen 4 of these drop, the last one went to a rogue because all their hunters had one. Insane good luck asside, it would be a real dirty move for a rogue to nab this from a hunter under any loot system. That's my opinion anyway, besides it's too slow for my tank to pull with. :) --
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| Quinnaria | #319025 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 13:17 | |
Hugz & Cookiez! |
Our system really has a Golden Rule built into it. LootDo unto others, as I want want them to LootDo unto me. Yeah, a rogue or warrior could shroud bomb for this and take it - but, if they did? The amount of "Wow, what an asshat." would probably make their future of raiding impossible in this organization... Hence why none of them would be retarded enough to do it. ;) Tis the same reason that no hunter shrouds on weapons over the rogues and warriors that need them, and nobody is ever seen to shroud for "off-spec" gear either. ;) --
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| Telumehtar | #319032 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 13:56 | |
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The other thing about LO that I see a lot of is when two folks do standard or save on an item and one of them would benefit more from it, the other quite often will pass rather than roll against them. As Quinn said, our system utilizes the Golden Rule quite a bit, and I think we as an organization are the better for it.
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| Tribal | #319041 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 14:23 | |
Demonwright Tribalsun Tribalmoon |
quote: Originally posted by Roberth: Does LO loot policy award loot strictly on the basis of points (assuming shroud bids solely) or is there a mechanic built in where the Raid Lead can decide that an item such as this is deserving more to a particular class than another? As other people have mentioned, there is no direct mechanism. We mostly go on the aforementioned Golden Loot Rule. There was a raid not too long ago in which a "core member" of a charter shrouded on an item that was not only an off-spec item but the looter admitted they'd likely never use "But just in case." The result was one miffed monkey and the charter lead saying "Yeah it was messed up but there's nothing we can do. It's within the rules." Anyway, the moral of the story is it so RARELY happens I don't think LO has even considered adding an Asshat Prevention System. This particular example happened in BT which is unfortunate because of the rarity of certain drops... As someone else has said, more often than not someone will pass on loot so someone with more need will benefit. Lord knows Sun was geared up because of this during her T4 era! Also! I think that once a charter gets this far, the group will be so tight that the Golden Loot Rule will have even MORE power. Peer Pressure FTW. --
Tribal~ -- "So when you are listening to somebody, completely, attentively, then you are listening not only to the words ... but also to the feeling of what is being conveyed, to the whole of it, not part of it." � Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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| Erywin | #319055 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 15:35 | |
AP Physical DPS Lead Stylin' |
quote: Originally posted by Tribal:Also! I think that once a charter gets this far, the group will be so tight that the Golden Loot Rule will have even MORE power. Peer Pressure FTW. I really don't think that the Golden Loot Rule has anything to do with Peer Pressure, more along the lines of a universal agreement to respect each other, aka not being an asshat. Honestly if this ever happened in an AP raid and there were hunters that didn't have the bow, that rogue had better know that he would NEVER EVER be slotted with us again and that he might not want to stick around long ;P Maybe cause its the fact that I am a hunter, dunno. Just my 2cp. Cheers, E --
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| Rafiky | #319091 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 18:16 | |
Roster Monkey |
in the case of the guild who gave it to the rogue, they presented why it went to the rogue over the hunters. All in all, HELL YEAH! give it to the guy who has earned it instead of some people who are jumping on your guild's success. as far as something similar happening in LO.. oh jesus that person would be blacklisted on SH for years --
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| Toragan | #319093 Thursday August 7, 2008 at 18:26 | |
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The not so serious paladin |
Makes no sense. I'm sure from a stat standpoint there's even better options for a rogue/warrior. The only real reason I can see why he took it was to finish out his legendary weapon set and that's a stupid reason to gimp your hunter's dps so you can fill out your epeen. I could care less if the guy's been with them since creation this kinda stuff just creates huge drama rifts in your guild. Jeez the guy already got himself duel warglaves.=P --
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| Dulin | #319503 Saturday August 9, 2008 at 23:38 | |
26 Hunters = Dead Onyxia |
I have to be honest, all things considered, the legendary bow just doesn't represent enough of a dps improvement for me to get overly stressed about it. I mean, sure, it's 12.3 DPS over the next best thing, but raid drops come and go. Example: Ashjre'thul, Crossbow of Smiting. The OMG hunter weapon pre-BC. (Well, except for Naxx gear, but eh.) I remember people getting so worked up over that thing just because someone else had the points to get it first. And I mean another hunter, here. I can recall the endless arguing and bickering over hunters taking high-AP blue melee weapons in Stratholme and Scholomance and UBRS before MC was even completable. All this loot is lost... like tears in rain. The legendary bow is neat. I'd gladly use it as my soloing/questing/farming weapon... cuz it uses no ammo. But that also means it doesn't improve in damage from better ammo. 10 levels ago, I was using ice-threaded bullets. 16.5 dps. 10 levels ago, I was using the Grand Marshal's Hand Cannon. 55.9 dps 72.4 dps. Now I use Timeless Arrows. 53.0 dps. Now I use a Crossbow of Relentless Strikes. 93.0 dps. 146.0 dps. If I used a Brutal Gladiator's Rifle, it'd be (97.5 + 53) 150.5 dps. The legendary bow is 162.8 dps. 12.3 dps higher than the S4 rifle + bullets, and 16.8 dps higher than what I'm already using. In 4 months, I expect to be on my way to level 80. Last time I went up 10 levels, my (weapon + ammo)'s dps increased by 73.6 dps. If I was still using the GM's Hand Cannon, I still would've gone up by 36.5 dps, more than the difference for that bow. I am so not going to stress who gets what loot with that kind of paradigm shift looming. Someone else gets the bow? Grats them! How much is it going to hurt the moment they realize that five levels in, the *ammo* upgrade may well make their legendary weapon obsolete? Now, if it's me, I'm also not gonna stress that, neither... the bow'll just go into the collection along the top two rows of my bank, along with my Heartstriker, Rhok'delar, GMHC, Lohn'goron, Skyfire Hawk Bow, Valanos', Steelhawk, Wolfslayer, and Arcanite Steam Pistol. But I'm kinda nutty that way, I know. ;) TLDR version: It's purple pixels. A make-believe item in a make-believe world, and inside of a month after Wrath hits, it'll be something no hunter would raid with. Why stress? --
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