| Kavanagh | #316610 Tuesday July 29, 2008 at 23:04 | |
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So, right now, an Elemental Devastation build isn't really viable for level 70 instancing/raiding. With the changes to crit (crit now affects spell and melee), shamans should be seeing much higher spell crit rates. Also, elemental devastation is now, what, a T2 talent? So it's easy to get. Armed with those facts, will an enhancement/elemental build, to get elemental devastation and any spell/melee oriented talents, as well as all the goodies in the enhancement tree, be viable? There's no longer any reason to spec into resto, except for the improved reincarnation, since they removed the +hit talent. Viewpoints/comments/suggestions/TPS cover sheets? --
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| Arkhain | #316619 Tuesday July 29, 2008 at 23:48 | |
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Yup. Proposed 8/63 with Elem Devastation: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=hV0hZhxgIoxdIekguVo There's too much good stuff in Enh now! Imp Ghostwolf is about all that you could drop from Enh that's not a DPS or support loss, and I'm such a huge fan of this talent that I don't think I could. For leveling, I'd drop the Elem points and support totems and Static Shock in favor of Healing Focus. |
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| Kavanagh | #316633 Wednesday July 30, 2008 at 01:30 | |
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My wife and I will be leveling together, and she's a bewmchicken. I don't foresee the need for any healing talents. :) I'll have to check that build after work, but off the top of my head, I had already looked at an 8/63 build a few days ago. I'm not a big fan of the imp. ghost wolf, what situations outside of PvP is it actually worth taking over other talents? --
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| Arkhain | #316648 Wednesday July 30, 2008 at 03:21 | |
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Supremus! No, it's just a talent that I use to get around since it's instant but mounting is 3 seconds. The only place you could really get much more damage utility out of it is Call of Flame for 4% more damage on Lava Burst, for which I have no numbers regarding the power therof. I'm going to assume those 2 talent points are going to be less than negligible, and thus be more or less filler like the 2 points in 2/46/13 are now. I use it out of habit for pretty much everywhere. You could certainly drop it from 8/63 to 10/61 for a small DPS increase. |
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| Kavanagh | #316719 Wednesday July 30, 2008 at 08:35 | |
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I need to post what I came up with a few days ago, so you can tell me what you think. I'm still a bit leery of some of my choices, since I don't know how, for example, lava burst will work. But we'll see. I really like the changes that have already been made, and I can spec that deep into enhancement as soon as WotLK comes out.
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| Kavanagh | #316824 Wednesday July 30, 2008 at 12:51 | |
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I went ahead and went with what you came up with, Ark. More synergy that way, though as you said, it may be better to go for the lava burst damage increase talent, depending on how good the spell is.
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| Laminor | #324398 Monday September 1, 2008 at 20:12 | |
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Lava Burst is one of the biggest staples in enhancement right now. Its responsible for way more damage than stormstrike, and it guarantees 100% uptime of ED. However, this 600+ DPS increase comes at a cost. You go through mana a lot faster now. So at the very least you need to add convection (10% less mana usage), call of flame (more fire damage) and elemental focus (40% less lava burst mana cost) to have real good staying power. I could mention again how elemental fury is better than feral spirit but we won't know until Feral Spirit is fully implemented. And yes, Elemental Focus does have a 100% uptime with a lava burst rotation. You do your first lava burst after a flame shock, guaranteed crit. Elemental focus comes up for 10 seconds. So your next flame shock is free (at least right now it is, 60% for Shamanistic Focus, 40% from Elemental Focus), and the second -40% charge is used on your next lava burst, which guarantees crits and renews the -40% effect. --
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| Aorn | #324399 Monday September 1, 2008 at 20:22 | |
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Alright then. Since I'm home and far away from both WoW and anything worth really reading about WoTLK. Is there any update on Lava flows and how Ele and Enh will work together in the expac? I mean, thunderstorm is cute and all, but if I flame shock, will enhancers throwing up lava burst consume MY shock debuff? I'm slowly learning the concept of a 20 yrd range caster. With thunderstorm being hyped as "part of the rotation" now, and Lava flows and SE&F making flame shock 'better' for ele, I don't know if we're just going to be facemashing the LB key in the expac or if I'm actually going to be casting Lburst. Another thing is the scaling of Flametongue weapon. I understand flametongue will now give a +spellpower buff, so I get free wizard oil. Is that ALL? Or is the flametongue weapon buff + Lava flows talent > Oil buff? Thanks for keeping me in the loop >> Public CAP sites are on dialup and rare :(. --
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| Arkhain | #324430 Monday September 1, 2008 at 23:56 | |
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Thanks for the heads-up, Lam. So, that means two things. One, on gear, Lava Burst being a guaranteed crit is perfect for putting the crit/spellcrit/agi itemization issues to rest. Gear for Agi when possible, crit for the offchance that you don't get a Lava Burst in during a specific ED uptime. Also, with Lava Burst being substantial damage, talenting into the damage is worth it. Goodbye, instant Ghost Wolf :'( I'll miss you! Oh, as far as your questions go, Glacial, there is a minor glyph to increase your Flameshock's range by 10. It's a separate debuff for each shaman with Flameshock, as opposed to the single with Stormstrike. You should be safe to Lave Burst your own Flameshock without worrying about hitting anyone else's or having them hit yours. Warlock Immolation and Conflagrate works in that manner. Flametongue is 70 spellpower at BC's max rank and 112 fully talented -- compared to the new level of wizard oil that's 56, even without data on WLK ranks Flametongue wins. As far as Thunderstorm -- we'll see how it ends up playing out for a DPS spell. |
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| Laminor | #324784 Tuesday September 2, 2008 at 21:21 | |
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quote: Alright then. Since I'm home and far away from both WoW and anything worth really reading about WoTLK. Is there any update on Lava flows and how Ele and Enh will work together in the expac? I mean, thunderstorm is cute and all, but if I flame shock, will enhancers throwing up lava burst consume MY shock debuff? I'm slowly learning the concept of a 20 yrd range caster. With thunderstorm being hyped as "part of the rotation" now, and Lava flows and SE&F making flame shock 'better' for ele, I don't know if we're just going to be facemashing the LB key in the expac or if I'm actually going to be casting Lburst. Another thing is the scaling of Flametongue weapon. I understand flametongue will now give a +spellpower buff, so I get free wizard oil. Is that ALL? Or is the flametongue weapon buff + Lava flows talent > Oil buff? Thanks for keeping me in the loop >> Public CAP sites are on dialup and rare :(. Elemental/Enhance work together the same way they always have, just through stormstrike. You will be able to have it up VERY often now with the new imp SS. Also, you can glyph stormstrike to give +8% more nature damage on the debuff. Its +28% Nature damage, 4 charges, every 8 seconds. So you'll have ~80% uptime of +28% Nature damage if you are the only elemental shaman using the charges (Enhancement no longer Earth Shocks in a standard rotation). Thunderstorm is not part of your rotation. Thunderstorm is a PvP / Survival tool. It knocks people back 20 yards (its REALLY far) and does about half the damage of lightning bolt (the same amount you'd expect a Lightning Overload for). It can crit, does very often. Very nice for leveling and saving your ass in dungeons when you pull aggro. It costs nothing and gives you around 600 mana back. You only eat your own flame shocks. You can't eat the enhancement shaman's shock or vise versa. Flametongue weapon with Lava Flows adds 85 damage (I have not gotten the new rank yet, still using the 70 rank). It can also be glyphed to give you another 2% spell crit. Flametongue > Oil, Imp FT w/ Glyph >>>>> Everything. As for casting Lava Burst, I'm trying to develop a rotation to maxmimize it. But so far: Flame Shock, LBx4, Lava Burst rinse and repeat is showing a DPS increase. Just now sure if I can make it better yet. Working on it. --
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