| Guthammer | #313438 Friday July 18, 2008 at 10:52 | |
Shadowguarde Sunder Monkey |
Warrior * Anticipation (Protection) now increases chance to dodge by 1/2/3/4/5%, moved to tier 2. * Challenging Shout cooldown reduced to 3 minutes. * Death Wish (Fury) no longer makes you immune to Fear effects. * Death Wish and Sweeping Strikes have swapped locations in their respective talent trees. * Defensive Stance now increases threat by 45%. * Defiance (Protection) removed, replaced by Incite and moved to a new location on tier 2. * Hamstring now only has one rank and no longer causes damage. * Improved Bloodrage (Protection) now increases rage generation of both the instant and over-time effects by 25/50%. * Improved Disarm (Protection) now reduces the cooldown of Disarm and Shield Break by 5/10/15 seconds and increases damage taken by disarmed targets by 4/7/10%. * Improved Shield Block (Protection) now has 2 ranks and reduces cooldown of Shield Block by 5/10 secs. It no longer increases the number of blocks. * Iron Will (Arms) now has only 3 ranks, reducing the duration of Stun and Charm effects by 10/20/30%. * Last Stand (Protection) cooldown reduced to 6 minutes. * Mace Specialization (Arms) can no longer trigger more than once per 6 seconds. * Mocking Blow now only has one rank and causes weapon damage, cooldown reduced to 1 min and can now be used in Defensive Stance. * Overpower now only has one rank and no longer causes any bonus damage (i.e. weapon damage only). * Poleaxe Specialization (Arms) now also increases critical damage done by Axes and Polearms by 1/2/3/4/5%. * Pummel now only has one rank and no longer causes damage. * Shield Bash now only has one rank and will cause damage based on a % of AP. * Shield Block now increases chance to block and amount blocked by 100% for the next attack. Cooldown increased to 30 seconds. * Shield Slam is now available to all warriors, starting at level 40. * Shield Specialization (Protection) moved to Tier 1, now increases rage by 2 on a successful block. * Sword Specialization (Arms) can no longer trigger more than once per 6 seconds. * Toughness (Protection) moved to tier 3. quote: Originally posted by "Patch Notes":* Improved Shield Block (Protection) now has 2 ranks and reduces cooldown of Shield Block by 5/10 secs. It no longer increases the number of blocks. Stuck at work but isn't the cooldown on block like 6 seconds? --
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| Tenatia | #313445 Friday July 18, 2008 at 11:33 | |
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heh..Gut, in the same notes... quote: * Shield Block now increases chance to block and amount blocked by 100% for the next attack. Cooldown increased to 30 seconds. 5th line from the bottom --
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| Banquo | #313449 Friday July 18, 2008 at 11:37 | |
CUSTOM TITLES WOO. |
shield block has been drastically changed as a result of the decision devs seem to be looking to make. They want to remove crushing blows. "Shield Block: Increases your chance to block and the amount blocked by 100% for 5 sec, but will only block 1 attack. 30 sec cooldown." Is the new version. --
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| Quarlo | #313454 Friday July 18, 2008 at 11:50 | |
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The one line that stood out to me was about mocking blow. I understand the cool down reduction, the previous cool down was so bad I never took it out of my spell book. But making it usable in defensive stance seems a little overkill. I still would prefer to use my taunt (if i was still prot spec). I would have preferred to see it added to fury stance, there are times when I need to pull a single mob off a healer but all that is available is the AOE taunt. If I'm too close to other mobs when I use that you got one dead little gnome warrior. |
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| StormMaster | #313470 Friday July 18, 2008 at 12:24 | |
AP Tank Lead - Dwarven Bomb Squad |
Mocking blow's primary usage for me was always as backup if taunt failed and I needed the mob off its target NOW. Having it usable in defensive means I don't have to stance dance if taunt falls down for some reason. Good boost IMO :)
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| sigsegv | #313521 Friday July 18, 2008 at 15:37 | |
Veteran of the Psychic Wars |
Aye, just means you don't have to blow all your rage and switch stances for your backup taunt. Didn't make sense to use in battle stance except in an emergency, and then the next thing you'd do is switch to def stance anyhow. --
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| Redfang | #313538 Friday July 18, 2008 at 17:42 | |
aka Elkheart, aka Challice |
It seems like they're trying to compensate warriors for their lack of ability to effectively aoe tank by adding more taunt options. - Vigilance, refreshing the normal taunt constantly. - Mocking blow vastly reduced c/d and usable in Def Stance - Chall Shout c/d reduced to 3 minutes (long overdue) It'll be very interesting to see how this all pans out. I have yet to see anything that will make me be anything but useless in a 5 man against a giant pack of non-elites, at least compared to a pally. Shockwave might help a bit to start. Beyond that, all I can see is using vigilance on the warlock and then setting up some macro to taunt anything that damages him. I'll freely admit that if that works as described above, it would actually be really cool, and a nice alternative to the pally way of dealing with big packs. But I just have trouble visualizing it actually working well... --
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| Guthammer | #313542 Friday July 18, 2008 at 18:00 | |
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Shadowguarde Sunder Monkey |
Don't forget Shockwave. Cone, 20 second cool down, instant, 15 rage, 10 yard range 1/4 AP AE stun. --
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| Arkhain | #313543 Friday July 18, 2008 at 18:08 | |
this is it for a winner! |
Threat will scale with AP now, much moreso than it has before. This is good news for the warriors struggling to keep up with badge and T6 geared DPS. | |
| Redfang | #313599 Saturday July 19, 2008 at 06:12 | |
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aka Elkheart, aka Challice |
quote: Originally posted by Guthammer: Don't forget Shockwave. Cone, 20 second cool down, instant, 15 rage, 10 yard range 1/4 AP AE stun. Yeah, see... I don't know. I'll have to see this in action before I can really make any kind of decision on how valuable it'll be. I mean it's a good power, I sure won't turn it down, but whether it'll make warriors viable aoe tankers.... eh, I'm not convinced of that. --
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| Gen | #313682 Saturday July 19, 2008 at 18:11 | |
DAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! |
quote: Originally posted by Redfang: quote: Originally posted by Guthammer: Don't forget Shockwave. Cone, 20 second cool down, instant, 15 rage, 10 yard range 1/4 AP AE stun. Yeah, see... I don't know. I'll have to see this in action before I can really make any kind of decision on how valuable it'll be. I mean it's a good power, I sure won't turn it down, but whether it'll make warriors viable aoe tankers.... eh, I'm not convinced of that. Yeah, I doubt we'll be amazing AoE tankers. We'll certainly be better off but I'll need to play before I'm convinced I can 'effectively' tank more than three in a good group. I don't think we'll ever quite be paladin style. Fortunately I'm perfectly okay with that. --
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| Paks | #313717 Sunday July 20, 2008 at 00:16 | |
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
I believe that Tclap is going to be scaling with AP now as well, which may very well help a LOT against a 3-4 mob pull.
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| Gen | #313880 Monday July 21, 2008 at 02:02 | |
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DAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! |
quote: Originally posted by Paks: I believe that Tclap is going to be scaling with AP now as well, which may very well help a LOT against a 3-4 mob pull. Unless there is a change to threat generation, damage usually has little to do with it. It'll help sure, but not greatly. Still, I'm not terribly worried about our AoE tanking ability. We do fairly well with multi mobs and with some CC there usually isn't too much to worry about. And with Shamans and Paladins seemingly getting a little something in that area(though I need to reread Hex) it comes over to a buff to our tanking. --
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| Alaunt | #313982 Monday July 21, 2008 at 09:44 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: Threat will scale with AP now, much moreso than it has before. This is good news for the warriors struggling to keep up with badge and T6 geared DPS. Hrm, I admit I'm a little confused about this mechanic change. To me AP scaling is pretty underwhelming for protection warriors given their normally low AP with the current gear itemization. Who knows though, maybe tanking gear will have some AP in wrath rather than stamina, defense, and more stamina. |
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| Guthammer | #313993 Monday July 21, 2008 at 10:08 | |
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Shadowguarde Sunder Monkey |
Its more that AP counts for so few of our moves. Devastate (at 1/4 AP) and white damage. Revenge is static. Shield Slam is based on Block (and something like 1/14th str). --
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