| Roberth | #312317 Monday July 14, 2008 at 21:51 | |
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Dunno if anyone has ever seen this or checks A Dwarf Priest, but: check this out.
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| Zaddy | #312399 Tuesday July 15, 2008 at 10:16 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Roberth: Dunno if anyone has ever seen this or checks A Dwarf Priest, but: check this out. I've never seen this before, but I can say right off that I don't agree with some of it. From what I can tell it ranks MP5 MUCH higher than I would on the scoring. Shadowvine Cloak cloak of Infusion as a better healing cloak than Stainless Cloak of the Pure Hearted? The spirit and MP5 are nice, but I'm not sure I'd trade that for the Stamina and +healing, and i CERTAINLY wouldn't put it over Shroud of the Highborne. Avian Cloak of Feathers being ranked over the BT cloak too is highly questionable, their ratings are close, but someone puts different values in the combination of stats than I do. I expect it has to do with spirit and MP5 Dunno, just observing. Edit: Had cut and paste issue s/Stainless Cloak of the Pure Hearted/Shroud of the Highborne --
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| Blikeveq | #312452 Tuesday July 15, 2008 at 13:55 | |
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From the page, here's the formula used to rank. Score = 0.65*(spirit) + 0.51*(int) + 1.00*(mp5) + 0.27*(+heal) + 0.06*(spell crit) + 0.10*(spell haste) |
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| Sowien | #312455 Tuesday July 15, 2008 at 14:33 | |
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Uhhh Hood of the third eye.... then Hallowed crown? and then whitemend? no. On the staves if you go pure regen the Exo Life still comes away better then it got ranked, and then the one out of ZA properly gemmed. Or are we talking healing? Or how about a survivability staff that has the extra stam you need for certain encounters or the spirit weapon you use on high regen requiring fights to get the extra ommf out of an innv given to you. How about weapons you had to enchant spellsurge to and swap around with mid fight to get the double bonus... that now has been nurfed I thought... which staff would you select for that fight to enchant that with blah blah blah. And looking at the trinkets (which are the most interesting additions to gear collection).... the one out of BWL is not even listed yet clearly commented on EJs compendium as still being one of the best... I trust EJ a great deal. Sorry not in agreement here. Everything is situational and I keep 3 extra gear sets on me for all the various fights I see week to week. I even have the BWL trinket still. And then sometimes I swap the exalted ashtongue one in on certain fights but good God get it off for others. etc etc etc. Some gear rankings might work for trash... as that's the only time I use my generic set, bosses though? Sorry it's swap in pieces from everywhere and screw the item level or ranking. |
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| Auraylva | #312478 Tuesday July 15, 2008 at 16:43 | |
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I think it's *fairly* accurate. If you actually read the notes at the bottom, it basically says you still have to use common sense about the items and figure out which is going to work best for you. Items with Mp5 *and* spirit seem way too high on the list, but that's just a fault of the formula used. Items like Black Belt of Knowledge are a good example. That's a very weak belt, yet it is ranked pretty high on the list. At the bottom it says old-world raid items are not considered. So rejuv gem is not going to be on there. It's a decent trinket, although with all the changes to spirit, 9mp5 isn't very much anymore. Mp5 trinkets in general are weak now. I agree with the staff order, actually. I would personally use the heroic magister's staff over the ZA staff, but they are fairly equal. Kazzak's staff has 0 stam, and that's full of failure. Make sure if you read this list you also read the stuff at the bottom. It's not supposed to be a strict list, just a general idea. That being said, I think haste should get a higher weight. Once you reach a certain level of regen, all there is left to do is stack +healing and haste. This list doesn't help with that much :[ |
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| Maegrette | #312487 Tuesday July 15, 2008 at 17:44 | |
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I think part of the problem with the loot order is that all stats are considered in the formula, but chances are you're not going to be looking at all stats at the same time. Haste, for instance - the number is either too low or too high. If you're building a haste set, it's too low, but if you're still working on your healing and regen, you don't want to waste item budget on haste at all. So putting the weighting somewhere in the middle doesn't meet the needs of either group. Similarly, someone who's struggling with going OOM on boss fights is probably looking to boost their spirit and mp5, but someone who doesn't have problems with regen is going to value other stats more. Pretty much, this list is going to produce middle-of-the-road items that are decent at everything but not strong in any one stat, and thus are unlikely to impress many people. The stat weights came from polling raiding priests and taking averages of their responses, but how many people are truly "average"? That being said, I know she uses LootRank to come up with these lists, and here are links to the formulas she used. It's easy enough to tweak out the values to suit your own preferences and get a personalized loot list. --
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| KeeRissa | #312523 Tuesday July 15, 2008 at 23:48 | |
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I'm surprised that mp5 is weighted more than spirit, with the changes to spirit. As a CoH priest, except on certain fights (Brutallus comes to mind), I would stack my +spir over my +healing (with a balance found if possible to not nerf my +healing into oblivion). I don't carry as many sets as Sowien but I admit, other than trash, I swap pieces in and out depending on how I'm specced, what my job is on the fight and how mana-intensive/stam-needed the fight is. Now that I can't swap weapons to get spellsurge procs as easily, I tend to choose spirit again over a healing upgrade (unless it's a HUGE jump) because casting good heals for longer > hitting for a lot for half the fight. I'll look more closely at the list but I know I tend to look at EJ before I go anywhere else, then I test gear on my own in the content. |
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| Zaddy | #312563 Wednesday July 16, 2008 at 07:32 | |
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When you start considering the 'best' this formula falls apart horridly.
I think this list is an okay 'early guide' for priests, where early is newly minted 70, maybe doing T4 content. It starts to break down after that due to being linear, and for what it doesn't consider. Gear just becomes too situational as we hit higher levels. Every piece I get now has a trade off that I have to consider. --
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| Sowien | #312612 Wednesday July 16, 2008 at 09:16 | |
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I really am against lists, vanilla pre TBC wow sure... TBC wow? HELL NO! Even general blanket statement'ing vague sort of lists are a no no for me. What job are you doing on what fight normally vs someone else? What's yer spec? What's the fight? How much weight is on you to have more of one thing and not another because the tank is not optimally geared or your fellow healers are new and undergeared (carrying them). Are you on a progression fight where the pressure is on tanks and healers to create an environment that allows dps to live long enough for fuck ups and learning? Or are you on a farm fight where you can stack a little of something else and tend to other non spam like duties and people are generally ok? Or how about.... I have piece X, with piece X my numeric value for blah blah blah has been filled and I can happily now pick up Y which will increase some lacking stat and some other stat will not suffer for it... gear juggling! I carry three gear sets because of that... minus resist sets. I think.... after all ma ranting... I made my point of being anti-list very clear :P Attempting to shut up. |
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| Xeonio | #312641 Wednesday July 16, 2008 at 10:08 | |
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Personally the list seems pretty okay to me. Once you add a bit of common sense to some of the upgrades you should come out on top w/o much of a problem. There are very few fights I've had to worry about switching out much more then trinkets short of special fights like Najentus where I need heavy HP. Other then that though HP isn't a big concern, its certainly not something I look for on my gear cuz the lil' bits it comes in is enough for most stuff. That said I would still use my stainless cloak from prince over the cloak from Illhoof. Like it says, use a bit of common sense and you should be fine. Either way I feel the guide is VERY helpful. Dwarfpriest.com also has quite a bit of other helpful information that newer healers can glean from it. --
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| Arkhain | #312882 Wednesday July 16, 2008 at 19:56 | |
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I just wanted to note: intellect does not become worth stacking over spirit for high-end gear. The square root of your intellect score is the determining factor, wheras spirit's portion is linear. | |
| Zaddy | #312997 Thursday July 17, 2008 at 07:12 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: I just wanted to note: intellect does not become worth stacking over spirit for high-end gear. The square root of your intellect score is the determining factor, wheras spirit's portion is linear. You're right, I stand corrected. It's not better than spirit even for regen. But it does have an impact now (in addition to the larger mana pool.) --
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| Sowien | #313005 Thursday July 17, 2008 at 07:37 | |
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I believe the mark you want to hit with int is 613. Could be off a bit. After 613, spirit is king moreso than before. Least that is what the healers in my group are doin. In case you have not seen or are curious about the EJ stuffs on priest here is the direct link to their 2.4 holy priest raiding compendium. http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t23790-priest_holy_raiding_compendium_v2_wow-2_4_0_a/ |
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| Zaddy | #313020 Thursday July 17, 2008 at 08:16 | |
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Getting a bit on a tangent with this, but yah, I read the EL thread every other day or so, and I think I picked up that information about Int from there. I can't find the particular post (and whether or not it was debunked) and don't have time to research it further at the moment. I will have to look shortly. I don't actively stack int anyway, I stack spirit particularly because it has use towards +healing as well as regen. But I would like to correct my misconceptions and pretend to be well informed about my role and class. --
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| Auraylva | #313332 Friday July 18, 2008 at 05:17 | |
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Yeah, don't stack int. No priest should ever stack int, no matter your gear level. Int does effect (affect? I get those mixed up) how much regen you get from spirit, but there's plenty of int on normal healing gear to cover that sufficiently. Around 615 int is where 4 spirit becomes = to 2 mp5 (comparing nightseyes to shadow pearls), and that number is not so hard to reach raid buffed. Even before you can reach this level, spirit gives you so much more than mp5 that you still should be stacking it (instead of int or mp5). Don't worry about the int. However, the best way to increase your HPS is still by stacking pure +healing and haste. Don't go overboard on the spirit. :P Tangents are fun. |
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