| Ulmia | #296994 Saturday April 26, 2008 at 09:53 | |
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Hey Folks, With all the new gem and gem recipes about to be floating around, I began wondering about whether to continue stocking up on spell crit or begin stacking spell haste. Currently, I am hit capped and sitting at around 1175 spell damage (w/ fel armor) and around 25% crit chance (w/o putting into account Devastation). Thanks. Edit: Oh... I guess my signature shows those stats. >.> |
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| Alighiere | #297616 Wednesday April 30, 2008 at 03:24 | |
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I don't actually have math to support this claim. Maybe someone else does. Very possibly the elitist jerks forum... But I think that stacking haste, especially as 0/21/40 is very much worthwhile over spell crit at this point.. Cheers, Alo |
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| Fenrys | #297664 Wednesday April 30, 2008 at 11:05 | |
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Its been suggested waiting til you hit ~1400 spell damage and ~25% crit with just fel armor up before going out of your way and stacking haste. I think that's the mark where haste in signifigant amounts is better ilvl wise than anything else. |
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| Dae | #297705 Wednesday April 30, 2008 at 13:44 | |
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Ulmia, there's a minimum crit level where you can expect to have the ISB debuff pretty much all the time (think that's 33ish%, which remember includes the crit from Devastation and Backlash)... which if I remember that number correctly means 25% from gear, which you pretty much have. My untheorycrafted opinion, and what I plan to do with Daevia if she continues to advance in gear (which I hope she will!), is that once you're at about that crit level or slightly above, haste would probably be more beneficial to stack. There's a minimum amount to make it worthwhile, though, so I wouldn't add in haste pieces one at a time. While stacking damage is a nice idea... as a shadow priest who needs only 5% hit from gear, does not rely on crit, and has pieces from Hyjal, I'm only at just under 1200 shadow damage. Shaylana has managed to push it a little higher (with engi goggles and the ZA ring, mostly) - just over 1200 - but my point is that as a class that needs the full 16% hit from gear on top of 25+ percent crit, there's only so high you can push your +damage, even after Sunwell. Less long-winded conclusion: I think haste is or is going to soon be worth it for you; I'd armory some Sunwell-level warlocks and see how much haste they're running, though, to figure out what's a reasonable level to have. Or just crunch the numbers to get an idea of a minimum amount that would give you a significant difference in dps. --
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| Ulmia | #297752 Wednesday April 30, 2008 at 16:42 | |
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Thanks for the input guys. :) Btw, here's a link to the armory of Nihilum's (number one ranked guild in the world) class leader warlock: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Clinkz That's some nice gear. >.> |
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| Arkhain | #297772 Wednesday April 30, 2008 at 18:15 | |
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If ISB uptime isn't a primary goal, as in your raids only have on shadow dot-casters but multiple destro locks, ditching any crit for haste will be dps boost. Actually, any haste over crit will be a dps boost, but maintain a good amount of crit for ISB since dropping it too low will hurt your dotters more than it will help you. 25% is a good place to stay. | |
| AmieBeth | #304773 Thursday June 5, 2008 at 01:20 | |
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If you are the ISB bolter for the raid then crit % should be your main concern. However if someone else is handling those duties then haste can greatly benefit you. Rating vs ratio rates: 22.1 crit rating is 1% crit 15.77 haste rating is 1% extra casting speed. 12.6 hit rating is 1% hit Takes a LOT more to increase crit % by 1 than it does haste. About Haste, how it is calculated and how it affects dps 15.77 haste rating increases your casting speed by 1%, this is not the same reducing as your casting time by 1%. Example: take the spell shadow bolt, with talents it has cast time = 2.5s. Assume 315 haste rating (20% haste), the casting time would become 2.5/1.2 = 2.08s. If you would also get Heroism, this would stack with your haste: cast time becomes 2.08s/1.3 = 1.60s Haste still suffers from diminishing returns due to your MP5 not contributing, but for most purposes pretty much provides linear increase to your dps. If at all possible spell haste should be worked into a destruction warlocks gear. To a lesser extent demonology warlocks, and most affliction locks will find it useless. --
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| Isfahel-Delyius | #328132 Friday September 12, 2008 at 14:20 | |
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Elitist Jerks generally have very solid information, I'd go with what they have to say on the subject. That being said, I'll reiterate some of it here for those who don't want to pour through the pages. 1)Stacking crit with gems is almost never worth it as crit has a higher stat cost than haste. That being said, "stacking" haste before you can reach a useful amount isn't very helpful either, i.e. if it's not enough to improve your rotation. 2)For those just starting out destruction, yes, keep casting corruption and immolate, they still up your dps. Going back to the haste point, it's more beneficial when you have the crit rating to just shadowbolt spam, that's where haste truly shines, especially after 4 piece T6. I gemmed for crit, it's true, but that's because I'm low on it for Destro and I can't make up a meaningful amount of haste without getting gear that has it as a stat. :( --
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| Schnookums | #330134 Friday September 19, 2008 at 11:01 | |
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It's very possible to start stacking haste with zero pieces of t6 gear. I'm currently at 156 haste in my build. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silver+Hand&n=Schnookums 1500 to 1700 dps on bosses and not a lick of t6 goodness. I think this is one of the most fun aspects of wow... seeing what you can do with what you have. --
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| Vemika | #330586 Monday September 22, 2008 at 08:24 | |
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Now that Improved Shadowbolt is a self-buff only, has anyone done all the crunchy numbers stuff to see where the new tipping point is on crit VS haste?
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