| Terrem | #296256 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 12:18 | |
Pink Ball of Gnomish Fury |
So, I just got into the whole LO scene, transferring my fury warrior and holy priest over to join some college friends in Wanderlust. However, one thing I've noticed, is no one wants to slot my fury warrior. Plenty of people will take my priest, Elhonna, which I suppose is understandable; but if given the choice of slotting my fury warrior or not, Terrem invariably gets left out. :( I think I have Terrem geared up fairly well, and can pull ~900+ dps in a raid situation, but I can't seem to get the slots. Anyone have any suggestions to make Terrem more appealing to raids, or is the answer to just re-roll a hunter/warlock? --
 Elhonna -- 70 Human Holy Priest Terrem -- 70 Gnome Fury Warrior Chibiarthas -- Future Gnome Deathknight |
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| Viggen | #296263 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 12:44 | |
What's a Nerubian? |
It's part of the global conspiracy to give DPS plate to prot warriors. Just kidding! Although I am building a pretty sweet DPS set for whenever I snap, put Pretty Hate Machine in the CD player and respec fury myself. :) My only relevant comment would be that the raid itemization for DPS warriors seems kind of awkward to me...a lot of the good DPS plate doesn't drop until SSC, so up until that point rogues are probably drawing ahead of fury warriors/ret pallies in gearing. Speaking as the #3 tank in a lot of our raids, I feel like what I bring to a lot of boss fights are the buffs (BS or CS) and debuffs (demo shout, tclap and sunder). It seems like a fury warrior who could do that AND dps would be hugely valuable. So my only explanation would be that some raids underestimate the value of getting yelled at. --
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| Guthammer | #296265 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 12:49 | |
Shadowguarde Sunder Monkey |
Other than the usual problems of slotting DPS (huge numbers of DPS vs tanks and healers) LO has a strong tradition of warriors as tanks and almost none at all with warriors as DPS. I don't think a lot of leads (and I could be way over generalizing here) are really familiar with DPS warriors, how to use them and what they are good for. I don't think I have been on more than 3-4 KZ runs with a DPS warrior and AWAKE, the charter I run with for 25 mans, rarely has any DPS warriors go (and I think them even signing up is rare). As for solutions...I don't have any good answers, but I would suggest maybe trying to get some heroics in with members of the charter you want to run with, and let them see what you can do. If you can find a tank, of course. We seem to be going through a tank shortage on the server. --
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| Amirite | #296278 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 13:18 | |
السلام عليكم |
Dps warriors?! Who has one of those. Pshaw. --
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| sigsegv | #296283 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 13:42 | |
Veteran of the Psychic Wars |
quote: Originally posted by Guthammer: LO has a strong tradition of warriors as tanks and almost none at all with warriors as DPS. I don't think a lot of leads (and I could be way over generalizing here) are really familiar with DPS warriors, how to use them and what they are good for. I think you might have forgotten some of our dps warriors over the years... Catteeka, Epo, Corth, Midi, Banquo, Kaleid, Diamedes, Dheri, Crumm, Treadwell, Jonthan, Bryg, etc. Also, at least some of our groups actually have a bit of a jam up as far as the tank role (ie more bodies than slots). That said, threat, gearing, and pvp vs pve spec are big issues for dps warriors. --
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| Arkhain | #296335 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 16:27 | |
this is it for a winner! |
As many have found, though, the best way to get your DPS not slotted is to have a healer. However, only your charter leads will be able to give you the best explanation of why you aren't getting slotted. quote: My only relevant comment would be that the raid itemization for DPS warriors seems kind of awkward to me... Which, unfortunately, depends on how awkward you consider leather and mail. |
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| Terrem | #296341 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 16:40 | |
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Pink Ball of Gnomish Fury |
quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: As many have found, though, the best way to get your DPS not slotted is to have a healer. However, only your charter leads will be able to give you the best explanation of why you aren't getting slotted. quote: My only relevant comment would be that the raid itemization for DPS warriors seems kind of awkward to me... Which, unfortunately, depends on how awkward you consider leather and mail. Well, I don't mind Elhonna getting slotted. She's fun in her own respect, and I want to get her gear as well. The part that annoys me is that, for example, if Elhonna gets slotted for one Kara in a given week, Terrem won't get slotted for any of the other 10 Karas I sign up for. :( --
Elhonna -- 70 Human Holy Priest Terrem -- 70 Gnome Fury Warrior Chibiarthas -- Future Gnome Deathknight |
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| Gen | #296358 Tuesday April 22, 2008 at 18:23 | |
DAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! |
quote: Originally posted by sigsegv: quote: Originally posted by Guthammer: LO has a strong tradition of warriors as tanks and almost none at all with warriors as DPS. I don't think a lot of leads (and I could be way over generalizing here) are really familiar with DPS warriors, how to use them and what they are good for. I think you might have forgotten some of our dps warriors over the years... Catteeka, Epo, Corth, Midi, Banquo, Kaleid, Diamedes, Dheri, Crumm, Treadwell, Jonthan, Bryg, etc. Also, at least some of our groups actually have a bit of a jam up as far as the tank role (ie more bodies than slots). That said, threat, gearing, and pvp vs pve spec are big issues for dps warriors. To be fair, most of the warriors who were DPS over the years had to establish themselves as tanks first. Once they were in tight with their group then they got to show off and expand/change their role. Even then, the usual catch for raid groups is too much of our roles and not enough of the other roles. So, all I can say is good luck. --
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| Banquo | #298238 Saturday May 3, 2008 at 21:35 | |
CUSTOM TITLES WOO. |
quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: As many have found, though, the best way to get your DPS not slotted is to have a healer. However, only your charter leads will be able to give you the best explanation of why you aren't getting slotted. quote: My only relevant comment would be that the raid itemization for DPS warriors seems kind of awkward to me... Which, unfortunately, depends on how awkward you consider leather and mail. THOSE WERE MY WRISTGUARDS OF TRUE FLIGHT AND YOU KNOW IT. Ahem. I looked you up on armory, Terrem. (I hope you don't mind) so I know that you (LIKE ANY REAL DPS WARRIOR) don't mind wearing leather. I mean, cheaper repair bills are cheaper repair bills are cheaper repair bills. I can't help you with charter slotting, dps warriors are niche and there's rarely more than one per raid. But I can suggest that you rethink gemming. Going for bonuses really doesn't give you the maximum dps potential of your socketed pieces. And while I say you do have good stats (better than I did during early kz, that's for sure) they can definetly be tweaked and maximized. and http://www.maxdps.com is a quick-and-dirty number cruncher for that. From personal experience, i'd also recommend considering 33/25. Honestly, it's not hard to regear from fury to. (omg drop hit, omg moar crit/str) Additionally the regular physical dps will enjoy the extra 4% love of Blood Frenzy. EDIT: I totally forgot, get yourself a metagem helm pronto and the +3% extra critical damage and 12 agility metagem, the season 3 arena helm would last you for, well. till bt really. ps. hai gusy. longtiemnopost. --
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| Amirite | #320239 Wednesday August 13, 2008 at 08:39 | |
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السلام عليكم |
The ONLY problem with a 2h MS/BF build is that you're a slave to your WF totems. And it sucks for solo work, like prot. Other than that, I'd do it >.> --
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| Dalamaris | #320256 Wednesday August 13, 2008 at 09:33 | |
Feral Dr00d! |
I have that spec on my war, and actually if you take sword spec its not that bad, I solo'd from 1-70 with that spec and love it for soloing.
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| Amirite | #320420 Thursday August 14, 2008 at 07:39 | |
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السلام عليكم |
quote: Originally posted by Dalamaris: I have that spec on my war, and actually if you take sword spec its not that bad, I solo'd from 1-70 with that spec and love it for soloing. I agree, it's not BAD, it's definitely do-able, but going to it from my current DW fury setup is annoying. There's bursts where things die in 2 hits (and I giggle with glee) and then there's the 10 minutes of 500 hp nicks on their hide while they beat me to death... Fury is much smoother and more predictable, so I like it better for soloing (and raiding). --
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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| Kahlil | #320422 Thursday August 14, 2008 at 07:55 | |
Old Man |
Dps warriors aren't as well received in general than even other dps like rogues, for a couple reasons. Namely we're a bit less survivable (no vanish or evasion of we pull agro, plate only helps when we're being hit with physical damage which is basically 0% of the damage melee should be taking) and tend to pull agro a lot, though that's mostly just a user issue. That being said, most groups slot one or two as needed; properly speced they can be of great boon to the raid, both dps wise as well as with their debuffing abilities. I personally like slotting them, but that's because I'm at least some of a fury warrior at heart and like to see fury warriors beating on stuff. :P I'm a purist though. If it's not plate, I'm not wearing it. <.< Fury with Fist weapons. The only way to be. Cheers, --
Korinth, Dwarven Tnak Kahlil, Jumping Mage (Caster Lead v1.0, Lead Emeritus, BR Tank Lead Emeritus, Easterners Charter Lead) "It is well to give when asked but it is better to give unasked, through understanding." - Kahlil Gibran |
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| Senzoo | #320520 Thursday August 14, 2008 at 16:57 | |
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Lead Emerawhatever (LE) |
I actually prefer a single group in a raid when i slot physical. I like to call them a "shredder group" if you will. 1 enhancment shaman, 1 fury/MS warrior, 1 feral druid, 2 Rogues. There are other combinations I know, but this one seems to do well under the best and worst of situations. So DPS warrior is one of 25 slots for me.
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