| Tribal | #295312 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 13:35 | |
Demonwright Tribalsun Tribalmoon |
quote: Originally posted by Alaunt: Aggro early in a fight is best avoided by stacking the HoTs before the pull, Reeallly? I've found this to be exactly opposite. I've pulled aggro from tanks because they choose to pull the next set while my rejuv is still healing him/her. Pisses Me Right Off. I realize it's "healing aggro" since I am technically healing him/her. And god forbid my lifeboom go off during an LOS pull :P Sheesh :P But yeah... YMMV :P Druid healing is still FTW. --
Tribal~ -- "So when you are listening to somebody, completely, attentively, then you are listening not only to the words ... but also to the feeling of what is being conveyed, to the whole of it, not part of it." � Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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| Alaunt | #295326 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 14:31 | |
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Unless they've changed the mechanic when I wasn't looking (which is possible) spells cast before combat begins don't generate threat as they tick until you refresh them. Note that this would only apply to spells cast while the healer, not the tank, is OOC. Then again I mostly use this trick on my priest where a Renew and a PoM are a lot less likely to pull aggro then a Regrowth / Rejeuv / 3x Lifebloom combo. EDIT: Seems like the consensus is that HoTs do generate threat if you're in combat with the mob; although I'm unclear on whether the determinant is when the spell is cast or on each tick of healing. Perhaps a better theorycrafter than I can point us in the right direction. |
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| Fireina | #295328 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 15:04 | |
All Hail the HypnoToad |
Stacking HoT's before the pull is a really good way to get yourself killed. Non-agro-generatnig HoT's are OK -- earthshield, prayer of mending. If you have a pally tank you can bubble him (its not really a HoT). Agro-generating HoT's -- where it actually does healing on a predefined schedule and that agro goes to the healer -- can get you killed on fights whre the tank doesn't get quick initial agro. Especially on taunt immune mobs and bosses. Nightbane and the pull for High King Maulgar (in gruul's) are prime examples of places where you have to watch out for this. I know -- I've been there and done that. -F |
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| Tribal | #295332 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 15:45 | |
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Another place is MgT. 90% of the pulls are LOS pulls. Typically, this means the tank is only pulling 1 mob (sometimes three!) and only has aggro on that mob... and typically not a lot :P if he has a HoT on him other than (as was said) earth shield or PoM, the healer will be generating threat on ALL the targets -- including the targets the tank couldn't "touch" before hiding around a corner. Paladin's are good tanks for druids in my experience. I've never had an issue with threat, as a druid, with a paladin tank. Because of the sad lack of threat reduction mechanics available to druids, Blizzard was talking about allowing ONLY full resto druids wear plate in 2.4. *nods* That's right. Khromium Bark, baby, yeah[1]. Tribs~ [1] At least that's the rumour I started in /trade before 2.4 came out. It was prettty funny to watch trade that day :P *cough* --
Tribal~ -- "So when you are listening to somebody, completely, attentively, then you are listening not only to the words ... but also to the feeling of what is being conveyed, to the whole of it, not part of it." � Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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| Amarta | #295334 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 15:58 | |
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quote: failing that you could use a cower macro, ooo nifty idea :) I use Barkskin a lot and I keep meaning to go get the Shrouding pot... quote: Agro-generating HoT's -- where it actually does healing on a predefined schedule and that agro goes to the healer -- can get you killed on fights whre the tank doesn't get quick initial agro. *grins* Nothing quite like an ill timed pre-emptive HOT on an AOE pull and seeing six mobs beeline for you. No matter how you try- Lag *cough* just ain't covering that one ;) quote: Because of the sad lack of threat reduction mechanics available to druids, Blizzard was talking about allowing ONLY full resto druids wear plate in 2.4. *nods* That's right. Khromium Bark, baby, yeah[1]. I crai. Plate bikini I lust for you. /sigh --
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| Jnxie | #295336 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 16:26 | |
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I only have 1 healy type myself so as to which is funner to play ect I can't really answer. I never thought I would enjoy healing (my main WAS a fire mage)but I have quite taken a liking to it. Like Amarta and her druid complaint I do wish we had an aggro dump to keep up alive when we pull aggro, instead i spam heals on myself and say a little prayer. heh then I pop Reincarnate if my prayer was unheard :P That being said I think I enjoy healing because of the control you have over success of the group. A good healer can 'pull it out' when it looks grim. Hell 'oops' pulls when we get and extra pack of mobs ect are some of the funnest fights. nothing like near tank death experiences to wake you up :D I think every class of healsbrings something to the table. Pallies make great MT healers as their crit heals get the tank back up to full health quickly without a struggle. Also if a target has to be healed for a longer time then another target their mana regen/consumption allows for them to not worry about running out mid fight (even if Sharkiss happens to drain half of it) Priests have soo many options in heals can HoT, AoE, flash, greater,makes them a very well rounded healing class. Healing on the go is a big thing they can accomplish. If I need someone to run after a mobile tank ,the priest typically gets the job. Also priest bring fear ward, shackles and more hp's for everyone to the raid as well. Shammies chains for aoe heals make dps clusters an easy task. also they bring a 15 sec cooldown ranged innterupt to the table. healing a MT or the dps around the MT takes presure off some of the other healers and catches sometimes targets who may not have taken damage at the begining of the cast. and of course don't forget Totems and Heroism (heroism when used as a push thru tools should not be underestimated) Druids HoT's bring alot to the table and make for alot less 'Ohh shit!' moments, also Druids ability to heal while on the move is great for raid fights when trying not to stand in the fire. Course they also have battle rez which can sometimes make or break a fight. Of course each class has their buffs which benefeit the raid as a whole. Really is hard to say one is better then the other. IMO play which one you enjoy playing which syle is designed for you. As a healer lead I like to have at least one of each healy class in a raid (course healing druids are indangered species) Different fights are made easier with certain healer classes but all in all they are all needed to round the group off and pwn bosses in the face *smiles* --
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| Jnxie | #295337 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 16:30 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Amarta: *grins* Nothing quite like an ill timed pre-emptive HOT on an AOE pull and seeing six mobs beeline for you. No matter how you try- Lag *cough* just ain't covering that one ;) LOL but Amarta you make great 'bait' in Vashj! Works like a charm everytime *smiles* --
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| Paks | #295340 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 16:45 | |
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
Personally, I've done raid-healing pre-2.0 with my paladin, and with my Priest in BC. Palahealing is BORING. FlashFlashFlashFlashCleanseCleanseHolyFlashFlash.... Yeah. Priest I like, not only for the options but because it amazed me as a tank with Pally healing experience precisely how much even Renew does for smoothing out damage. As a consequence, I'm working on a druid that will go Resto at 70 for healing, because I like my HoTs that much. ...like I need another 70. Sheesh. :) --
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| Jerilynn | #295361 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 18:47 | |
IDK my BFF Dulin? |
I looooove healing with my priest :)
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| Dae | #295370 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 20:13 | |
Shadow carebear >.> |
*reads stuff about threat and whatnot* Yeah, the only thing I don't like about healing on my druid is that if your tank's not overgeared, on large pulls he's probably going to be taking a lot of damage as soon as the mobs start hitting him. Which means you get to choose between tossing a spike heal after the pull begins, or starting early on the HoTs. The latter can be dangerous when running with non-pally tanks because they simply can't put significant threat on all the mobs in a large pull at once. That, by the way, is the ONLY situation where you'll ever hear me praise the priest skill Fade. :P (As a shadow priest, the goddamn thing's worthless.) However, there's a lot your tank can do to keep this situation from killing you. It's my biggest concern when tanking on my druid - keeping the mobs OFF the healer at the initial pull. They have to be aware of the type of healing they're getting (i.e., that you're going to have HoTs rolling) and be ready to put some threat on all the mobs in the pull immediately. --
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| Erywin | #295388 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 22:45 | |
AP Physical DPS Lead Stylin' |
Been leveling up my druid so far, leveled til 58 as feral and then switched to a Dreamstate Resto build :) Gotta say that I am really really enjoying the difference over my other two DPS classes (Hunter/Rogue) Niand is now 65 and has Lifebloom, oh how I love you! I am probably going to end up playing her in our farmed content and just using Erywin for progression raids to give myself a break from leading all the time. As a first time healer I gotta say I am really enjoying healing on my druid, can't wait to hit 70 and start gearing up in KZ and beyond :) Cheers, E --
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| Tribal | #295389 Wednesday April 16, 2008 at 22:49 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Erywin: I am probably going to end up playing her in our farmed content and just using Erywin for progression raids to give myself a break from leading all the time. nooooooo! This is what I'm tryin to do! *plots* Somehow, I will stop you! :P --
Tribal~ -- "So when you are listening to somebody, completely, attentively, then you are listening not only to the words ... but also to the feeling of what is being conveyed, to the whole of it, not part of it." � Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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| Toragan | #295400 Thursday April 17, 2008 at 02:07 | |
The not so serious paladin |
I'd have to echo what's already been said. I was a holy paladin for a couple of years in raids before BC and for awhile off and on afterward. It is boring. Terribly boring. It's not to say holy paladins aren't effective healers...far from it but you have 2 heals you'll use...that's it and depending on your play style you'll likely end up using just one of those heals pretty much exclusively. So it's spam spam spam spam that one heal while popping cooldowns when they come up. Oh and cleansing...must not forget the cleansing... Now for the positive side. Pally healers are always in very high demand on most charters because of their relative rarity (see above for reason ;)) so if you go that route, are a decent player, and your willing to put the time into getting your gear in good shape pre-25 man content you'd pretty much have your pick of charters.;) --
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| Rafiky | #295403 Thursday April 17, 2008 at 02:41 | |
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just to note something from earlier in the thread once you enter combat, hots will generate agro to whoever cast them. While they're not doing any healing it's like casting a buff and mobs don't like that. --
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| Amarta | #295483 Thursday April 17, 2008 at 12:45 | |
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quote: LOL but Amarta you make great 'bait' in Vashj! Works like a charm everytime *smiles* and it works soo much better now that we know I am bait ;) For the first attempt or two when I got chewed up and spit out, I was wondering- is every mob supposed to spawn in my corner? Pally healing... I have a wee Draenai Pally I am toying with. Trying to decide if I want to attempt the tanking business or if the single button play is a fair trade off for being able to wear the beloved plate bikini. Of course Telumehtar still snickers about my attempt at playing a rogue... Heard on Vent: (during a WSG fight) Telu- Amarta what the hell are you doing? Amarta- Uhhh Amarta- Bandaging you? --
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