| Todyn | #308008 Monday June 23, 2008 at 12:57 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Alaunt: quote: Originally posted by Todyn: Ideally your melee group will be: Rogue Rogue Enhance Shaman Fury Warrior Retadin Windfury accounts for about 100 to 200 of my personal DPS. Drop a rogue and get a feral druid in that group. They will QQ about having windfury up rather than grace of air (I hear ya druids I dun like WF either but in this group makeup GoA doesn't make sense) but that aura is an extra 5% crit (6% if you can convince them to use the Idol of the Raven Goddess) and in many fights Improved Leader of the Pack will keep the melee group topped off nicely. IMHO, Feral druids should go with the hunters and a resto shaman for Grace of Air. Putting a Feral druid in the melee group is nice for the other 4, but it is gimping the feral DPS a tad, putting feral with hunters further increases hunter damage, and GoA will help the feral |
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| Arkhain | #308015 Monday June 23, 2008 at 13:19 | |
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I know it was a common thought that Vindication was responsible for the 'phantom' judgement procs, but it's not. The act of refreshing your judgement with a melee swing counts as a spell that can proc Wisdom. I personally keep 1/3 Vindication on hand for a buffer against dispels, but it's of small benefit overall. Maxing Guardian's Favor wouldn't be a bad idea at all. And as far as minimum stats, I'm personally rocking 2k AP and 33% crit with minimal haste and zero armor ignore in full best-in-slot-until-Sunwell BT/Hyjal gear. I just didn't imagine those sorts of numbers possible without T6-level gear. I don't personally have great numbers for DPS metrics, as these change greatly based on the fight, on Windfury presence, and most importantly on the amount of effort one puts into managing a cycle and mana. I'll have to stress again that these are very minor points of contention that I'm only nitpicking for the sake of completion. I definitely look foreward to seeing this in its own Ret post! As an aside, if your raid has a DPS warrior, a ret paladin and two rogues, toss them and a shaman in to a group, hands down. Even if the shaman is elemental or resto. Windfury for that group is the single highest DPS buff your raid could achieve. Denying one of those rogues Windfury isn't worth LotP, especially if you can have a separate hunter group. |
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| Todyn | #308025 Monday June 23, 2008 at 14:07 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: I know it was a common thought that Vindication was responsible for the 'phantom' judgement procs, but it's not. The act of refreshing your judgement with a melee swing counts as a spell that can proc Wisdom. I personally keep 1/3 Vindication on hand for a buffer against dispels, but it's of small benefit overall. Maxing Guardian's Favor wouldn't be a bad idea at all. And as far as minimum stats, I'm personally rocking 2k AP and 33% crit with minimal haste and zero armor ignore in full best-in-slot-until-Sunwell BT/Hyjal gear. I just didn't imagine those sorts of numbers possible without T6-level gear. I don't personally have great numbers for DPS metrics, as these change greatly based on the fight, on Windfury presence, and most importantly on the amount of effort one puts into managing a cycle and mana. I'll have to stress again that these are very minor points of contention that I'm only nitpicking for the sake of completion. I definitely look foreward to seeing this in its own Ret post! As an aside, if your raid has a DPS warrior, a ret paladin and two rogues, toss them and a shaman in to a group, hands down. Even if the shaman is elemental or resto. Windfury for that group is the single highest DPS buff your raid could achieve. Denying one of those rogues Windfury isn't worth LotP, especially if you can have a separate hunter group. Ark, I'm at i think 1900 AP, 31% crit, some expertise, some haste, some armor pen, and I have not even stepped foot into Hyjal or BT yet. But then again, I'm geared up in mostly Season 3. I think its doable to hit the stats I posted, but probably not so easily attainable, like I said, I don't know of too many Ret pallies on SH alliance side. When I get sometime, I'll post this into a seperate list, Retribution Paladins are certainly a viable class, and certainly will contribute to raids. Also, the information i posted is definitely not my original thinking, it just came from the research I did, when I wanted to make a full switch to Ret. |
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