| Laminor | #287359 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 23:15 | |
NQI Guild Lead / Classic LO Member |
For non-holy Paladins FoL is usually good due to the mana constraint you are under. However for a holy paladin, spaming flash heal just makes you a druid HoT, when you have the capability of being the most powerful single target healers in the game. With high crit, Holy Light *IS* pretty efficient, and its very fast with light's grace. Not to mention that you don't keep anyone up with FoL. In high end instances, you need a much higher HPS than Flash could ever do. Personally I like healing with 2 ranks of HL. Its easy to stay in mana while doing way more than a FoL spammer. FoL spaming days are pre-BC mindset in my honest opinion. If you want steady healing on a main tank to hold them over for "The Big Guns" you have a druid throw a few hots (which would be more effective and efficient than FoL, while freeing them for other things) and the Paladin can be one of those big guns. --
Traithan, Draenei Shaman. Rogthar, Human Warrior Rago, Human Rogue Laminor, Human Paladin |
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| Paks | #287437 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 12:20 | |
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
From a tank perspective, and this is probably stating the obvious, the best favor you can do for your threat output is to beg to have a Ret pally in your raid and group. Improved Santity Aura = 12% threat increase pretty much guaranteed. From a general raid perspective, however, they're much much better off in a group with a shaman dropping Windfury. It will do massive things for their DPS (Can you say double-SoC on Windfury proc?) and it allows for a ton of flexibility in judgements. It's really nice when one Ret pally can allow for all your Holy guys to get in there and drop a judgement on the target at the start of the fight. JoL tends to be seriously overlooked as an efficient "Heal over Time" option. I personally tend to judge Wisdom by default because it's the biggest raid-benefit to both me and my DPSers, but getting Improved Crusader and Light on the target just makes me a happy boy, and Crusader strike means I don't have to worry much about rejudging if I have to switch targets for a while for some reason. Last note: If there is any class in the game that desperately NEEDS to stack Hit Rating in quantity, it's Ret Pallies (and Arms Warriors, too, though they're more rare in PvE.) I've seen some Ret pallies with decent DPS at the beginning of a guild's progression through KZ drop from 2nd or 3rd down to 5th or 6th as the rest of the raid gears up. When I investigated it, it turned out he had MAYBE 30 Hit Rating and no expertise (not even Human racial, since he was using Legacy.) Remember, you can't get Seal of Command to proc if you can't hit the guy, and when you're using a slow 2H weapon, each miss hurts you a lot more than that rogue. --
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| Kreallana | #287438 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 12:20 | |
Quantum Kittie Heavenly Healz |
quote: Originally posted by Gyrik:The most apt description of healing I've ever heard (this coming from a tank's perspective) is that paladins are the workhorses of healing, while priests and druids are the fine edged scalpels. ... So what's that make shaman? ... --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Alissah | #287471 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 13:34 | |
Wanderlust Lead |
Shamans, well they're special. They are really the most versatile healer in the game with one of the best raid healing tools, an Earth Shield, a 1.5 and 3 second cast, a buff from healing wave, and armor bonus on crit heals. Mostly I'd say the shamans are the putty that makes everything stick together ;). | |
| Toragan | #287540 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 17:27 | |
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The not so serious paladin |
quote: Originally posted by Kreallana: ... So what's that make shaman? ... The brain healers.;) No one's better at raid healing than a shammy I feel. Chain heal makes spot healing so much easier. --
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| Kavanagh | #287553 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 18:36 | |
Truthiness and the American Way |
quote: Originally posted by Paks: Last note: If there is any class in the game that desperately NEEDS to stack Hit Rating in quantity, it's Ret Pallies (and Arms Warriors, too, though they're more rare in PvE.) I've seen some Ret pallies with decent DPS at the beginning of a guild's progression through KZ drop from 2nd or 3rd down to 5th or 6th as the rest of the raid gears up. When I investigated it, it turned out he had MAYBE 30 Hit Rating and no expertise (not even Human racial, since he was using Legacy.) Remember, you can't get Seal of Command to proc if you can't hit the guy, and when you're using a slow 2H weapon, each miss hurts you a lot more than that rogue. I believe that around +6% to hit for a paladin is the magic number (around 99 hit rating, I think?). After that, stack that crit and strength! As for shamans healing, don't forget brain heal! :) --
This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality. Remember, we are eternal. All this pain is an illusion.   |
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| Paks | #287570 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 19:44 | |
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YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
quote: Originally posted by Kavanagh: I believe that around +6% to hit for a paladin is the magic number (around 99 hit rating, I think?). After that, stack that crit and strength! As for shamans healing, don't forget brain heal! :) Quibbles. (I'm That Guy. You know, the one who nitpicks EVERYTHING.) 6% to hit is right IF they took 8 points in Prot to get Precision. I've seen a few that don't. But yeah, once they're at that point, Crit and Strength all the way. :) As for Shaman, 1.5 and 2.5 second casts because just about every Resto Shammy (and a fair sampling of Enhancement/Elemental ones too) are going to go with Imp Healing Wave right off the top. I'll go away now. :) --
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| Toragan | #287575 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 19:57 | |
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The not so serious paladin |
quote: Originally posted by Paks: I'll go away now. :) Input is always welcome.=) --
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| Arkhain | #287596 Wednesday March 12, 2008 at 21:40 | |
this is it for a winner! |
quote: (Can you say double-SoC on Windfury proc?) I wish. |
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| Kavanagh | #287697 Thursday March 13, 2008 at 10:35 | |
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Truthiness and the American Way |
quote: Originally posted by Paks: quote: Originally posted by Kavanagh: I believe that around +6% to hit for a paladin is the magic number (around 99 hit rating, I think?). After that, stack that crit and strength! As for shamans healing, don't forget brain heal! :) 6% to hit is right IF they took 8 points in Prot to get Precision. I've seen a few that don't. But yeah, once they're at that point, Crit and Strength all the way. :) Oh, I just assumed that any PvE ret paladin would do that. :) --
This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality. Remember, we are eternal. All this pain is an illusion. |
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| Kavanagh | #287699 Thursday March 13, 2008 at 10:36 | |
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Truthiness and the American Way |
quote: Originally posted by Arkhain: quote: (Can you say double-SoC on Windfury proc?) I wish. You would burst yourself to death! "Hey guys! OMG I just hit that boss for 15k!" *splat* "Guys?" --
This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality. Remember, we are eternal. All this pain is an illusion. |
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| Arkhain | #287827 Thursday March 13, 2008 at 17:41 | |
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this is it for a winner! |
Seal of Blood doubleprocs on Winfury. Though, Essence of Desire is always fun times. | |
| Paks | #287903 Friday March 14, 2008 at 01:32 | |
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YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR! |
quote: Originally posted by Kavanagh: quote: Originally posted by Paks: quote: Originally posted by Kavanagh: I believe that around +6% to hit for a paladin is the magic number (around 99 hit rating, I think?). After that, stack that crit and strength! As for shamans healing, don't forget brain heal! :) 6% to hit is right IF they took 8 points in Prot to get Precision. I've seen a few that don't. But yeah, once they're at that point, Crit and Strength all the way. :) Oh, I just assumed that any PvE ret paladin would do that. :) You'd think they would, actually, but for some reason, nope. Then again, most of the ones I'm referring to just play, and generally don't go much beyond the surface of the thing to look at the mechanics. It's always funny when I make a suggestion based on mechanics and people are blown away by the results. Makes me look like an expert at everything. :D --
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| Kavanagh | #287922 Friday March 14, 2008 at 02:54 | |
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Truthiness and the American Way |
I learned the hard way about +hit with my shaman. Turns out *all* melee classes need +hit, in varying amounts. You're silly if you don't maximize it with talents.
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| Gyrik | #287933 Friday March 14, 2008 at 03:44 | |
"Yub yub, Commander." WL Tank Lead |
Off - Healing as a Tank: I find myself doing one of two things, depending on the situation; either spamming FoL out across the raid reactively (see: Aran fight) or steadily pumping flashes into a target to give the main healers a predictable healing boost. But I'm not a very good healer =( Ret-paladins: are awesome, and don't let nobody tell you different. As a tank, they do tremendous things for threat gen (I will get one for VR someday. Oh yes.), and of course work best paired with a shaman dropping Windfury totems, and a BShouting warrior. If I have one, my Blessing priority list tends to run as follows: Wisdom > Light > 'Sader, with Crusader potentially going up before Light if the retadin isn't in my group. --
 Dazhbog - Armory Gyrik - Armory The birth of the Argent Crusade - credit to Invisusira of Smolderthorn |
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