| Toragan | #285870 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 02:35 | |
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I will admit that my knowledge of other paladin post BC roles (other than tanking) is certainly not up to par compared to some of you (especially ret). If any of you would like to toss up a post with some good links, discussions, and/or addons for those roles I'd be more than happy to sticky it for ya. My main desire is to create a simple resource new paladins signing up with us can access for some helpful information about our roles in raiding. Doesn't need to be that complicated.;)
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| Gyrik | #285876 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 04:48 | |
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Resources! Tanking: http://www.failsafedesign.com/maintankadin/index.php as per usual Retadins: http://cromfel.battlefield.fi/ Healadins: I've no idea, but Chrystllyn/Alissah/Aleigh is the best damn healadin I've met, so get him to post here =P --
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| Arkhain | #285884 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 07:39 | |
this is it for a winner! |
1) roll on warrior gear 2) Crusader Strike every 6 seconds 3) ??? 4) profit! |
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| Alissah | #285940 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 12:55 | |
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Holy pallies: I came from a holy priest so I have no links for this, but in my experience this class is one of the easiest healing classes to play and one of the hardest raid healing bit to do. Anyway I think I have a few helpful hints for those new to being a healadin. 1. Holy Light is your friend. Some paladins think otherwise, but if you're spec'd holy and have lights grace, this spell is the BEST healing spell you could ever ask for. It's got the highest heal per time cast. My advice: 1) use rank 1 before boss fights to get your lights grace rolling and have 2 second casts the entire fight. 2) Make sure you have potions of some sort, this is not the most mana efficient build especially for heavy healing, but it is the most effective. 3) Either pick up the Libram of Mending from badges or the Libram of Absolute Truth off Lurker Below. 2. Gearing: When you're gearing for holy you definitely want stats to roll in something like this Healing>Int>Mana/5>Crit. Those are the only 4 stats you have to worry about, trust me stam will come on the items you are picking up with those on it. Paladins and shamen get stam handed to them on items, sometimes the other healers have to go out of their way to find some. 3. Raid healing: When you are raid healing, you can drain your mana incredibly fast if you don't downrank your Holy Light. Even to an extent on tank healing you will want to downrank. The most common downranks for Holy Light are 6-8, keep this in mind while healing. I would advise that you find your favorite downrank (out of 6-8) put that on your bar with max rank (11) and max rank flash of light. When you need to spam heal on low mana use flash as it costs a lot less, when you need to raid heal with lower threat also use flash. When you're pulling trash there can be a lot of spikes, so you definitely want to have your lights grace rolling for a big rank 11 if need be, so whenever possible try and use the downrank that you have chosen to raid heal with. 4. MT healing: For the most part when you are MT healing you need to be the power healers. You need to make sure you have that rank 8 or 11 prepped and ready for that spike damage on your tank. Not to say other classes are incapable, but paladins have the quickest big heal around which makes it EASIER for them to be the power healer and have the heal available faster. Be sure to let some downranked heals go through as well to keep lights grace rolling. 5. There is another mindset to paladin healing, which I am not all that into because it seems to be a waste of the paladin healer to me, but some people live and breathe by it. For the most part they never touch the Holy Light button or rarely, and only use Flash. This method will keep you with all the mana in the world (for the most part) and will classify you as a backup/raid healer. For the most part these healers don't put out a lot of spike heal. They pretty much cover quick low cost heals until some other 'power healer,' as I call them, comes in with a large heal. Every person has their play style -and- if any class was going to use their 1.5 second heal I'd rather it be paladins simply because of the low cost, as opposed to all the other classes that have a 1.5 heal. But, it's just not the way I play, or think a pally healer should be played. Okay, I think that's all I have for now! |
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| Toragan | #285977 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 14:24 | |
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I always was of two minds in the HL and FoL schools of healing in that I never minded using both. I felt they both had a place depending on the situation. A downranked HL I agree is a great thing if your a primary healer on a target alone or with a tree druid. I also found the ability to chug out a constant stream of low cost smaller heals when paired with a less mana efficient yet hard healing class like a priest on a tank also can be good. However as I said before I hardly gained as much experience as many BC raid pally healers so I wouldn't be surprised if I was muckin things up.;) Also thanks alot Alissah for posting here! I was hoping to see some holy folks come in and offer advice.=) --
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| Alissah | #285989 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 14:55 | |
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It really depends on your own personal style. I personally classify people in three categories: Raid, Backup, and Power. If you're not a power healer, Holy light is not for you. If you are a backup healer Flash of light or a combination of Flash and Holy would be more your style, if you are a straight up raid healer (which I am a sad panda when I make a paladin raid heal) but sometimes it happens, I'd really rarely use your bigger heals and just crank out lots of Flashes, maybe some bigger ones if you notice and can help on a low healthed tank, but by that time someone will either cover over you or the tank will die though depends on how quick you are! Power - use primarily bigger heals and tend to cancel them then prep a new bigger heal. Backup - use bigger and smaller heals as necessary, also a lot of hot healers fall into this category. Raid - CoH priests, shamans, Flash pallies, and lifebloom happy druids. Sounds to me that I would most often classify you as a backup Tora <3. *hides* |
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| Gerad | #286052 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 21:45 | |
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Holy Light, while effective, is often un-necessary if you are keeping a person topped off with Flash of Lights. Sure, it's wonderful for the spike damage, and it's incredibly powerful when you start getting high amounts of +healing, but, as you have stated, it's very mana inefficient, whereas Priests/Druids (Shamans? I've never really healed as one or talked/researched them beyond LoLBrainHealspam) high end spells are alot more mana efficient. If you have a Holy Paladin/Priest combo, the pally FoLing, the Priest chain casting their big heals (And cancelling them if un-needed) the tank stays alive, and you both keep up your mana for other needs (Raid heals, spike damage, long lasting fights, etc.) Now, this is NOT to say that a paladin cannot survive as a Big Heal lander, or that Paladins should never use or be used as a Holy Light spammer. But! There are 4 primary healing classes, each with their own way of healing. Pallies excel at landing quick, "lesser" heals as well as a one stop shop of cleansing. Priests excel at larger healing throughput (GHeals, Prayer of Healing, Circle of Healing), but generally can use some time inbetween in order to regen (Depends on the priest and build and style, I know). Druids = HoT Machines! (Both Heal over Time and just plain old HOT mmm trees). Shammies Chain Heal is as unique as it is powerful, and their Earth Shield/totems are quite a raid asset. I'll end by stating that I fall into none of the categories, but all of them at times depending on what the raid needs. Generally, I FoL spam heal to keep people topped off. But I've also been a MT solo-healer, a cleansebot, a trash offtank, an MT, and I've even been in a DPS slot (LAWL HOLY SHOCK > YOU), though the last of which even I had to laugh at, though primarily cause of my gear not being capable of the DPS that I'd like. Classes are only limited to what they can effectively do and how someone plays them. And while classism exists and isn't necessarily always spot on - it does exist for very valid reasons at times. Especially when it comes to Hybrids. Anyhow, my 2c. You should always play to have fun, and at long as you're fulfilling your "job" (Healing/Tanking/DPS), find your own style that works in order to achieve said job. As far as mods/links/discussions go - I generally hit up elitistjerks forums for some (Note: Usually) intelligent discussion/debate on each class, and I'm sure people can find other resources through any search engine ;P Mod wise - PallyPower. Get it, love it, and people will love you for having it. Above and beyond that, I'm a pretty low mod user, primarily using informative mods rather than performance mods, not because I necessarily have anything against them - just that I personally like keeping it simple. Hell, I've used only the Blizz UI and raid pullouts since BC launched, and I do just fine without CTRA/other raid window mods/etc. Long gone are the days where you "Needed" those mods just to raid. That being said - Deadly Boss Mods/BigWigs covers pretty much everything you'll need to be aware of in a raid environment, and KTM/Omen handles your not pulling aggro, those to me are the new CTRA. Cheers. :) |
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| Toragan | #286054 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 22:17 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Alissah: Sounds to me that I would most often classify you as a backup Tora <3. *hides* Actually I'm a tank nowadays (and have been for most of my BC experience). But I'm not offended by the classification. I've been a pally healer since launch back in the days when most wouldn't even consider us for a MT rotation so worry not I'm quite used to it.;) And as I said I normally used them all depending on the situation. Be it a downranked HoL, a full ranked one, or FoL to top people off and help priest deal with fast spike damage. I've always seen paladins as the marathon healers. We are the ones that can put out steady numbers throughout the whole fight because of the efficiency of our heals and save the less mana efficient (but harder hitting) healers from having to blow their mana to quickly. So yeah a support role in healing never bothered me. Otherwise I'd have rerolled something else years ago.;) --
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| Gyrik | #286066 Tuesday March 4, 2008 at 23:19 | |
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quote: Mod wise - PallyPower. Get it, love it, and people will love you for having it. Geebus, yes. I go to raids with one paladin not having PP, and it's immensely annoying. quote: I've always seen paladins as the marathon healers. We are the ones that can put out steady numbers throughout the whole fight because of the efficiency of our heals and save the less mana efficient (but harder hitting) healers from having to blow their mana to quickly. So yeah a support role in healing never bothered me. Otherwise I'd have rerolled something else years ago.;) The most apt description of healing I've ever heard (this coming from a tank's perspective) is that paladins are the workhorses of healing, while priests and druids are the fine edged scalpels. It's a broad classification, of course, and I trust Liss (as Chrystllyn) to keep me up through just about anything, but it's a decent rule of thumb. I really should get some healing time in at some point, but people keep asking me to tank shit =P --
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| Tonster | #287243 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 08:15 | |
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3. Raid healing: When you are raid healing, you can drain your mana incredibly fast if you don't downrank your Holy Light. Even to an extent on tank healing you will want to downrank. The most common downranks for Holy Light are 6-8, keep this in mind while healing. I would advise that you find your favorite downrank (out of 6-8) put that on your bar with max rank (11) and max rank flash of light. OK, you lost me here. What does downranking mean? Thanks, |
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| Gerad | #287248 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 09:09 | |
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Downranking is simply casting a lower rank of a spell in order to conserve mana. So instead of using the Max Rank (11?) Holy Light, you put one of the lower level ranks (6-8, etc) on your bar. Sure, it's going to be less healing than the max rank, but it costs alot less mana, and therefore allows you to cast more. This is not to say you should take the Max Rank off your bar completely - it just gives you more options rather than only having, say, one rank on your bar. |
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| Telumehtar | #287282 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 11:41 | |
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So question for both Tankadins and Healadins out there. As a Tankadin, I find myself quite often in the off-spec role of healer depending on the needs of a fight. I've got a respectable Healing gear set (mostly Karazhan/ZA) and can hit 10Kish mana, 1400ish +Heal with a fair chunk of MP5 (Low spell crit unfortunately). Now I have NO Holy talents given that I'm specced for Raid tanking. What recommendations would folks have as to a healing strategy while in this configuration? Generally speaking if the fight permits, I spam Flash of Light on the tank to provide a Baseline healing pulse of about 900 to 1.2K healing per 1.5 seconds. I've found this to be useful as it helps to let those big healers have some sort of healing blanket to cover them while they wind up. I've found spot healing to be somewhat in-efficient as my heals are often slower than required, and if I use my faster/more mana efficient Flash of Light it often it does not heal enough to make up the difference and Holy Light due to not having the mana efficiency talents can run me dry extremely quickly. But could other people think of other uses for my heals or methods to get more out of what I'm throwing as an off-specced healer? --
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| Alissah | #287312 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 14:27 | |
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Aye as a tankadin the best spell for you hands down is Flash. You don't have lights grace, you don't have more crit to Holy light, you don't have mana back on crit. So taking all this into account, you primarily want to use flash of light, unless you're trying to get healing aggro (which some fights call for!). | |
| Toragan | #287323 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 15:53 | |
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Aye she has the right of it. If your offspec healing flash will always be the way to go.
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| Telumehtar | #287332 Tuesday March 11, 2008 at 16:55 | |
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Well on the bright side I guess I've been doing all that I can. On the downside I guess I've been doing all that I can :-p.
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