| Boshrankus | #283812 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 01:47 | |
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The 30/0/31 PvP build. Something like http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?50032201250313300000000000000000000000000050540300031500401000 Caster form dps and healing, a true hybrid. I figure it is even more viable now with the healing gear getting ~1/3 in dmg also. I've seen it mentioned in some threads but I have no clue if anyone has actually tried it. It certainly would be a challenge (a fun one or course) and a delight to build a perfectly maximized gear set, but possibly counter-productive. Don't think you could really raid with it either... Anyway, just throwing it out there for comment, purely whimsical at this point. |
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| Kreallana | #283819 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 02:42 | |
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Yeah, it's come up a few times - never pans out for anyone so far as I've seen. Lots of debate about it on and off for quite a while. Know a few people who have tried it and dumped it pretty quickly. Good luck with it, if you try it - be interested to hear your experiences with it. --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Tribal | #283847 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 10:29 | |
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It almost looks like a gimped dreamstate resto build. Which, btw, has the most amazing mana regen :P I'm currently having a lot of fun in arenas and have decided that going into an arena match without Nature's Grasp is FTL. I haven't seen any balance druids in arena with that build, Bosh. :/ The most common is deep resto (a NG-IS/Charge/non-tree build), a full feral build, and a full balance build. If you'd like, I can pull those builds out of my arena package and show them to you. :) Otherwise, have fun and experiment with your posted spec and see what happens. The worst thing that can happen is it doesn't work for you and you end up respecing. Not really a big deal. :) HTH --
Tribal~ -- "So when you are listening to somebody, completely, attentively, then you are listening not only to the words ... but also to the feeling of what is being conveyed, to the whole of it, not part of it." � Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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| Boshrankus | #283862 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 12:17 | |
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Yeah I don't expect to try this anytime soon. I'm happy with my current PvE balance build as is does quite well in PvP also. Just a thought experiment really, looking for those who may have tried it. And yeah Control of Nature could be replaced pretty easily by Nature's Grasp with the build. I've never used Nature's Grasp...I guess I prefer to cast roots when I think I need them with the 100% chance to not be interuppted. |
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| Tribal | #283870 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 12:48 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Boshrankus: Yeah I don't expect to try this anytime soon. I'm happy with my current PvE balance build as is does quite well in PvP also. Just a thought experiment really, looking for those who may have tried it. And yeah Control of Nature could be replaced pretty easily by Nature's Grasp with the build. I've never used Nature's Grasp...I guess I prefer to cast roots when I think I need them with the 100% chance to not be interuppted. *nodsnods* Understandable. My build is specificly defensive in nature. I find it lacks the luster of hardcore arena builds, but it significantly increases my survivability during "matched" games and BGs. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?01430231000000000000000000000000000000000050053350031520531051 Note that I took brambles instead of Natural Perfection. Mathematically it's a sound choice. There are instances when NP will work wonderfully while brambles will work indefinitely. I also didn't take Nature's Reach and replaced it with Improved Tranquility. This was purely with PVE grouping in mind. Since my Healing Touch is gimped, I will often use Tranq in its place which works wonderfully *sometimes* :P Needless to say, I'm not raiding on this toon :) And it's *really* nice for groups/soloing/questing. As boring as it sounds, I often just sit there with roots, IS, and MF ticking away at my target and don't worry about anything else while I ether heal my groupmate or relax :P Certainly not a playstyle I'd suggest to anyone else, but having been an affliction warlock since the game started, I find it easy and relaxing :P --
Tribal~ -- "So when you are listening to somebody, completely, attentively, then you are listening not only to the words ... but also to the feeling of what is being conveyed, to the whole of it, not part of it." � Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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| Alaunt | #283876 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 13:06 | |
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I've played around with most of the 30/31 builds for druids and they're usually great! ...for soloing. And maybe a bit in the BGs. In a raiding environment, you do have flexibility of a 'true' hybrid but from a raid lead point of view that mean's you're second rate at two roles. Now you can get away with this somewhat in a 10 man raid or in content for which you are overgeared, of course. You don't have to be resto to main heal in KZ if your healing gear is from SSC. As for the rock-paper-scissor world of arena I guess it comes down to what you want to get out of it. If you're hellbent on climbing the ladder though you'll have to mini-max with the rest of them. If you're just there to have fun, work out your role with your team mates and enjoy. |
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| Alissah | #283894 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 13:50 | |
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I used to have a druid friend on my other server that raiding SSC with this spec. He was able to tank and/or heal and he was decent at both rolls. You have to healing touch - cancel heal style, but you use hots just like in tree form as well. It's not as mana efficient as tree form, but it's a strong healing build, people just don't give it credit anymore due to how good trees are. It's nice to cover bursty damage. | |
| Kreallana | #283902 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 14:08 | |
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Are you sure it was this spec, hun? Because this spec has 0 in the feral tree. Makes me wonder how effectively he tanked? --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Alissah | #283910 Wednesday February 20, 2008 at 14:33 | |
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Oh, sorry I guess I should have looked more into it! My apologies! I believe he was feral/resto! | |
| Synokh | #284972 Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 05:05 | |
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I've used that same build for healing in Arena; it works fairly well. But the 'normal' resto build posted above is much, much better for 3v3 or 2v2, definitely; perhaps for 5v5 as well. I use my current build for my 5 man and I do the primary healing there. It is fun for me to switch to moonkin and unload some nice hits on a target in arena once the healing situation is under control. Sometimes they sort of sit there, and I imagine they are scratching their heads IRL wondering how this boomkin could heal so well :P I have used this build to heal successfully in Kz, the Eye, and ZA. Because I am hardly ever sitting idle long enough for me to begin regenning mana outside of the 5 second rule, the extra mp5 is a big plus. If you use this build for any pve, I would definitely push for the 3/3 dreamstate, and then stack your spirit and mp5. Pushing 320+ MP5 fully raid buffed tends to help with longer fights :D I do miss the overpowered hots of a more resto build but with the dreamstate I do not need to pop pots like an addict anymore. Often at the end of a fight I have a half bar of mana, and that is very nice. IMO this build really works best if you keep the 3/3 lifebloom HOT on the tank or tanks, and periodically spam a lower rank HT. Mana lasts a LONG time, and you are healing for ~600 per second (per tank) for the duration of the fight, and can of course add other hots or a HT as needed. Recently in Kz I was one of two healers, with the other being a priest, and I outhealed him by about 20% with less overhealing than him. And, never ran out of mana. So for me at least the build works. Syn --
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