| Rafiky | #280950 Saturday February 2, 2008 at 20:19 | |
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hey guys. So i have bone to pick with you guys. STOP USING FLASH HEAL AS YOUR MAIN GOD DAMN SPELL. that's the paladin's job. Get 5/5 divine fury and stop sucking so you don't need to heal stack for fights that check the skill if your healers (read: Moro, loot reaver, fathom lord, Vashj). Basically; if you need more than 7 healers for these fights (except learning Vashj) you're doing it wrong. Flash heal is not your highest Healing per second heal, and it is the least mana efficient of any heal you have. Start to love prayer of mending, greater heal, binding heal, renew, and did i mention prayer of mending? At this point (read: tier 5 and higher content) you need to be using your full range of spells in every raid. Download a mod like Quartz (casting bar) and start pre-casting/canceling heals. thanks. Rafiky Rukhanu (Lightbringer) PS: i'll start linking WWSs as evidence if i need to. You guys are better than this, and it makes me depressed to see this crap. --
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| Toragan | #280955 Saturday February 2, 2008 at 22:09 | |
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Raf you know I've always liked you man but there are ways to get your point across without being offensive.;) Just makes folks defensive and then nothing gets solved.
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| Rafiky | #280956 Saturday February 2, 2008 at 22:27 | |
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i've tried being nice in game, hasn't worked for beans.
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| Senzoo | #280980 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 01:29 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Rafiky: i've tried being nice in game, hasn't worked for beans. It has been quiet some time since we had a temper tantum on the LO site. From someone such as yourself Rafiky I find it quiet disappointing. Keep your evidence and know that your message has been seen for more then it was intended for sure. --
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| Rafiky | #280991 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 03:33 | |
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I'm not throwing a tantrum Senzoo, I don't have the time for that. I'd rather just be blunt and to the point. Honesty is the best policy. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, nor would I. Though i no longer raid with LO, i still want to see everyone succeed. --
Listen to teh monkie 70 NE Hunter http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightbringer&n=Rukhanu |
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| Toragan | #281002 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 05:49 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Rafiky: I'm not throwing a tantrum Senzoo, I don't have the time for that. I'd rather just be blunt and to the point. Honesty is the best policy. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, nor would I. Though i no longer raid with LO, i still want to see everyone succeed. I can certainly respect and appreciate that Raf. Just remember that while saying "you suck" will certainly get a response from people it's rarely going to be the one most would intend.;) --
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| KeeRissa | #281022 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 12:00 | |
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On the topic at hand, something you might recommend to priests is that they not try to be the top of the healing meters. The meters are not there to measure "OMG, I r heal lotz", they are there to let you know how you can be a more *effective* healer. Truth be told, gear, mods, spell-choice, latency and raid makeup all play a part in how well your numbers will look on the "overall healing done". Stop competing for top numbers and compare yourself overall. If a paladin outhealed you on the MT (and you were both assigned the MT), don't get all upset. Instead, use the tool as intended: how MUCH more did he heal the MT? If it was a couple of thousand, no big and that's pretty much to be expected. If it was a couple of HUNDRED k...then you might look at your performance. TLDR version (which is rather impolite): HEALING METERS ARE NOT THE WAY TO MEASURE YOUR E-PEEN. |
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| Bleucheese | #281038 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 14:09 | |
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The advice that paladins can take care of shorter heals and that priests should be using more Greater Heals is good, and I really appreciate your effort in looking through the WWS and thinking this through. I'd love to see us get to the point where we only bring 7 healers; 1 more DPS in the raid increases the DPS by 5-10%, which is often the margin between victory or defeat. The manner in which it you delivered it, however, was far more confrontational and abrasive than necessary. I hope that priests here can take the message and ignore the tone. |
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| Alissah | #281043 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 14:34 | |
Wanderlust Lead |
Speaking from a paladin point of view, which not many but some of the paladins of LO do, love and use frequently Holy Light. If you are spec'd for it (Lights grace, and more crit to HL) it is the best heal a paladin can use, it's the fastest BIG heal out there. I know some really fantastic paladins that down-rank their Holy Lights for their flash heals instead of using Flash heal, overall its just a more effective way to heal, but in doing so it makes it harder to give smaller heals to the raid. In general, healing styles depend greatly on the other healers around you. For instance, if there are not many ae healers (ie - no shaman, no resto druid (or just one) priests are phenomenal for CoH to keep groups that take damage for various reasons alive. Renew is awesome for group damage (if there is time to toss it around -and- Prayer of Mending is your friend (as long as they aren't dots, damn pvp change). Greater Heal is a more mana efficient way to heal and a wonderful tool to priests. It's great to use with a /stopcasting macro or your escape button to stop your greater heal from going through if there is no damage to heal. Flash heal really, imo, is a tool for healing quick spike damage on low health players. You can use it as your main heal, though it is not mana efficient, but if you're not having mana issues or you want to use all your tricks to keep mana (or you have several other mana sources: shaman, spriest) and you feel its the better option for your group, then by all means. However, in the raid scenario, Greater Heal is your best friend (primarily on bosses). Trash you'll most likely get to drink use whatever heal keeps the raid alive and going at a relatively quick pace (or whatever pace the raid may be moving at). You may have to learn to use it, it's a little bit more tricky than Flash heal, you have to be more preemptive on your heals and less dependent on reactive healing (ie. having a heal incoming before the damage is taken rather than starting to cast your faster heal as soon as the damage is taken). Greater Heal is by no means a spell that you can spam either, you'll drain your mana pool in a heart beat, so there are other things to take into consideration, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Anyway, I have to get back to work I can't go into more depth. I think the main point of this post was to try and get priests into being more mana efficient healers. Which, in the long run, would be ideal and better for the raid and everyone in it. However, this is a game and we play it for fun (at least some of us do), so some people will not always be the kind of player you want them to be. But, if you have any questions or want more elaborations on healing styles, I'm free to talk/chat/coach/help about whatever you'd like. Just send me a PM. Happy Healing. |
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| Gwendalyne | #281046 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 14:49 | |
High Matriarch of Light |
quote: Originally posted by Rafiky: hey guys. So i have bone to pick with you guys. STOP USING FLASH HEAL AS YOUR MAIN GOD DAMN SPELL. that's the paladin's job. Get 5/5 divine fury and stop sucking so you don't need to heal stack for fights that check the skill if your healers (read: Moro, loot reaver, fathom lord, Vashj). Basically; if you need more than 7 healers for these fights (except learning Vashj) you're doing it wrong. Flash heal is not your highest Healing per second heal, and it is the least mana efficient of any heal you have. Start to love prayer of mending, greater heal, binding heal, renew, and did i mention prayer of mending? At this point (read: tier 5 and higher content) you need to be using your full range of spells in every raid. Download a mod like Quartz (casting bar) and start pre-casting/canceling heals. thanks. Rafiky Rukhanu (Lightbringer) PS: i'll start linking WWSs as evidence if i need to. You guys are better than this, and it makes me depressed to see this crap. Wow, if your intention was to be educational and not just a prick...you failed. That being said there is a lot of reasons FH ends up being the spell of choice for priests in a raid. Back in the day when we had a priest / druid combo per tank it was easy to know what heals to use when, as you werent worried about having a half dozen other healers healing the same target. These days, on trash especially, when our healing assignments are either just not present (For trash) or overlap alot (such as MT healing with 3+ healers) I personally find trying to heal with GH only leads to massive overheals and wasted mana. Sure I can cancel a heal but the fact is at any given millisecond before your spells about to hit any number of quick heals can rain in. Now I use PoM religiously as an OH SHIT spell due to its CD. I dont like to just throw it out there when its up because that may deprive me of it when I really need it. Renew is up constantly on my primary target as I'm sure it is for most priests. Binding heal, although tweaked with a new mana cost, is still an incredibly specialized spell that to be honest I use so infrequently that I mostly forget I even have it. So sure, if I'm getting assigned to a target that I can be reasonably assured I can guage whats comming in for heals for all sources then I happily use GH to maintain health as it IS the most efficient. If I'm healing for trash or on bosses with multiple healers then I will start/cancel GH's as needed but usually when I notice someone in trouble I default to FH as I cannot afford the extra second for a GH. So like me, most WWS will be dominated by FH's. So there you have it, one priests opinion for whatever its worth. But I aggree with what was said before, you can be alot more helpful when not sounding like an ass. - Gwendalyne --
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| Felada | #281052 Sunday February 3, 2008 at 15:09 | |
Overall Lead of Floggins |
Locking thread before flame war starts.
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