| Gerad | » #278884 Saturday January 19, 2008 at 18:24 | |
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Probably doesn't belong here necessarily - but for Paladins, it is VERY handy to download and use PallyPower. Not only does it make for quick assignments (Any paladin with an "A" or RL can assign ALL paladin blessings from the menu, or paladins can individually assign their buffs and people can assign theirs off of each other), it also has a window that tells you by class who doesn't have your buff up, if they're in range, etc. as well as a timer for when your buff will fade. And this is coming from someone who does not like/use alot of mods, or being told "You HAVE to use X, Y, and Z to raid." As for buffing in general - I agree with Bleu. Once a group is up and in range, buff em if they're missing a buff you can cast. And while a resurrection mod is useful - you can generally target of target and see who someone is res'ing - except when they target their next target instead of their current one ;) But *Shrug* I'd also add that the puller/marker/etc should be well aware of the raid's status, the oncoming pull, and if they're capable of doing it while people finish up res'ing, buffing, etc. You don't always need 100% raid to do trash. |
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| Etul | » #278905 Saturday January 19, 2008 at 19:35 | |
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Moved the actual document to: Google Docs for ease of editing. And incorporated Brunsons, Alighiere and others suggestions post --
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| Etul edited this message on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 21:13 | ||
| Gyrik | » #283623 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 13:24 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Gerad: Probably doesn't belong here necessarily - but for Paladins, it is VERY handy to download and use PallyPower. Not only does it make for quick assignments (Any paladin with an "A" or RL can assign ALL paladin blessings from the menu, or paladins can individually assign their buffs and people can assign theirs off of each other), it also has a window that tells you by class who doesn't have your buff up, if they're in range, etc. as well as a timer for when your buff will fade. And this is coming from someone who does not like/use alot of mods, or being told "You HAVE to use X, Y, and Z to raid." As for buffing in general - I agree with Bleu. Once a group is up and in range, buff em if they're missing a buff you can cast. And while a resurrection mod is useful - you can generally target of target and see who someone is res'ing - except when they target their next target instead of their current one ;) But *Shrug* I'd also add that the puller/marker/etc should be well aware of the raid's status, the oncoming pull, and if they're capable of doing it while people finish up res'ing, buffing, etc. You don't always need 100% raid to do trash. I'll add this to the Google doc, if I can (or someone else can do it), bu it's good to note that Pally Power can ALSO do 10 minute buffs for individuals (read: druids! =P) who don't need/want the greater blessing. --
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| Kreallana | » #283627 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 13:34 | |
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So can smart buffs. I actually use Smartbuff for my buffs because it allows me to select exceptions and inclusions and flashes me a warning when their 10 min buff has expired. I hadn't realized Pally Power did that as well. I like Smartbuffs, because it's really nice to be able to say "I want all hunters to have this, all shaman to have this, except that enhance shaman who gets this"...I haven't gotten to play with it as much as I want...but what I've gotten to do with it so far has been really nice. I can also set buffs per group - so if I'm doing priest buffs or druid buffs, I can set it to buff like - groups 1-3 and ignore 4-8, etc. Makes it kinda brainless. I just wish I could set the shaman earthshield buff up via SmartBuffs. Especially because of its nifty tool...the timer comes up and annoys me for what I've marked that I'm buffing...I roll/push my center mousewheel, the buffs are cast, I keep doing my stuff. Smartbuffs also works in just regular groups, without requiring a raid. Not sure about Pally Power. I have Pally Power just so I can see who is doing what (just started using it on my other chars as well so I can send a whisper to remind about 10 mins instead of spamming the raid with it). --
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| Gyrik | » #283655 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 14:59 | |
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Pally power works in any group/raid, and offers full support for both 30 minute and 10 minute paladin blessings =) I actually really love the interface, because the assignment pane hides itself and you have a stack of (up to) nine small panels for each class, and then mousing over each one pops up a similar panel of everyone of that class in the raid/group. Left click the class pane for greater blessings, right click on names for pre-assigned 10 minute blessings. The whole setup, once assignments are given out, is no larger then Omen/normal MT target panes. I tried to use Smart Buff, but never got to like the interface =/ --
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| Kreallana | » #283657 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 15:07 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Gyrik: Pally power works in any group/raid, and offers full support for both 30 minute and 10 minute paladin blessings =) I actually really love the interface, because the assignment pane hides itself and you have a stack of (up to) nine small panels for each class, and then mousing over each one pops up a similar panel of everyone of that class in the raid/group. Left click the class pane for greater blessings, right click on names for pre-assigned 10 minute blessings. The whole setup, once assignments are given out, is no larger then Omen/normal MT target panes. I tried to use Smart Buff, but never got to like the interface =/ To each their own. I have both so I can bring up pally power and see assignments, but prefer the ease of SmartBuff for actually casting my buffs. I don't have to roll over anything, click anything or anything....and smartbuff takes up no space at all except one, single button or even hiding that and just using the cli. I use the same button for both 10 or 30 min blessings. It's all a matter of personal preference :-) --
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| Kahly | » #283683 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 16:20 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Kreallana: prefer the ease of SmartBuff for actually casting my buffs. Okay, now you have my attention. Goodness knows that occasionally I get so involved thinking about what the healers are gonna do next, or talking raid strats with the guys, that I forget that I need to buff. The rest of the priests are great about picking up my slack, but would be nice if I didn't have to think about it. You know I am a mod minimalist so pardon me if I ask a few questions. a) Will this work for priest buffs? If no please disregard rest of my post. b) Have you had this mod for 2 weeks or more? c) If yes to question A, what site did you download it from. Supply a link if ya like me! d) Does it automatically buff at any time, or is it "smart" enough to know not to buff in the middle of a Vashj fight when I have 350 mana to my name. --
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| Kreallana | » #283695 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 16:32 | |
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a) Will this work for priest buffs? Absolutely - it's great for priest buffs. You can click the groups you want to pay attention to and unclick the ones you don't. b) Have you had this mod for 2 weeks or more? I've had it for quite some time - a few months at least. c) If yes to question A, what site did you download it from. Supply a link if ya like me! I lubs yous!! Link is here. d) Does it automatically buff at any time, or is it "smart" enough to know not to buff in the middle of a Vashj fight when I have 350 mana to my name? You can set this up so that it will not buff during combat. Actually, you have to specifically set it up to buff in combat, so the default is to wait until combat has ended. You can set it up to announce in chat, do a screen flash and/or make a sound at you to remind you to buff. --
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| Gyrik | » #283715 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 17:12 | |
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*shrug* to each their own. I like the read-out that lets me manage each person individually, since sometimes single people die/get BoP'd, and I can toss 10 minute fillers or decide to recast greaters if everyone else's timer is running down. That said, more people should get PP Info so they know which paladin to bug for what blessing =P --
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| 7_of_9 | » #283720 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 17:23 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Gyrik: *shrug* to each their own. I like the read-out that lets me manage each person individually, since sometimes single people die/get BoP'd, and I can toss 10 minute fillers or decide to recast greaters if everyone else's timer is running down. That said, more people should get PP Info so they know which paladin to bug for what blessing =P PallyPowerFu FTW! --
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| Tribal | » #283747 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 18:49 | |
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Here are my two-pence. You should also know I'm in the process of righting the Add-on and Mods post that we discussed earlier. It'll detail and explain raid mods/addons. To this end, I shan't be posting anything in this post about mods :) @Buffs. 1. Don't cast thorns on everyone. Thorns causes damage to anyone that attacks the bearer. This damage is mitigated by the resistances and enhancements of the attacker *however* the threat is not. That means if you thorn the priest and the priest gets hit, the priest will build aggro. "So what?!" you say, "If the priest pulls aggro he or she is going to die anyway!" Yes. This is true. However, using your logic, when has thorns ever affected a raid because someone who wasn't suppose to be getting hit in the first place suddenly gets hit? Don't cast it on everyone. With brambles, it's a buff for tanks if anything. It's a waste of mana and time. 2. Assignments need to be Fixed for many raids I've been on. I Can Not Tell You How Many Times I get blessed with might on my resto shaman. "So, click it off!" you say. Indeed. CLick it off. Then run about the raid missing 1 buff. The same deal with warriors that get salvation. Certianly they can click it off, but then shouldn't they (like me) get a new buff? "Ask for the right buff in raid!" I'll touch on this later... @Soulwells/Warlocks. This is what I do. I put a soulwell down at the beginning of the raid. I put a soul well down after a wipe. I put a soulwell down before a boss. I put a soulwell down *after* the boss. Rinse and repeat. I also go into raids with 40 shards. I've had the experience as Sun to discover that warlocks are starting to get greedy with their stones and only putting them down when asked. It's a huge time waster when people have to stop and ask then organize for a summons. Just do it. :) If someone needs a summons, PLEASE do three things. 1. Ask the warlock politely in a TELL. Do Not Use /raid or /venTS 2. The warlock should then announce they he or she is summoning . 3. The people in the raid should NOT be sitting around the portal going, "Gee, what pretty colours." or "I'm SURE someone else is already on their way to click it!" Just Click It. The portal will not suck you in, I PROMISE. @Ressing This is such a point of frustration with me :P I will attempt to remain calm :P Nothing is more frustrating than spending 9 seconds to res someone JUST to fail on the 10th because someone wanted to do it in private. /say macro's are not good enough. (I've noticed more than one person doing this) Why? One reason is because the distance between the the /say and the other person resing is great enough that they can actually not see the /say message. If you don't believe me, test it :) Can you imagine how spamming SW would be if /say actually worked at non-rp distances? :P Changing the macro to announce the res in the raid healing channel will *significantly* ensure a lesser frustration rating with your fellow ressers. Iffin I were a charter lead, I would make this macro a *requirement* for raiding. Of course... there's likely a reason i'm not a lead! I would also push *strongly* for certain addons. That alone would keep most people out of my raids :( Another point I'd like to boldly bring up is this: as was said, you should be ressing other ressers first when you can. I'm against spending 10 minutes running around looking for them (the Vashj fight is a good example of how spread out we can get). You should, however, put your best foot forward, as it were. Having said that, if you have a freakin res button, you should help ressing :P I just got into an "altercation" recently with someone that CAN res but won't because he's not healing speced. @general Here's a general complaint that I believe could significantly cut down raid start times/wipes/boss details. If you're in a raid with people of similar class, for the love of pete, TALK TO THEM. Not only are you networking and finding people of like mind (you have at least 1 thing in common), you'll substantially assist your leader in making appropriate decisions that will ultimately affect the raid. I have being put in a group with another shaman that refuses to talk to me about totems. Thankfully this hasn't ever been an issue in the 25m raids (Ghula, being the only other shaman I've ever grouped with in SSC, has always made it a point to talk to me, first.) You should also take special information to your raid leader. If, for instance, you have malediction, it's a Good Thing to explain why *you* should be using curse of shadows and not the destruction lock. If you have enhanced weapons totems, *you* should be using those, not the restoration shaman. It might be a good idea to let the raid leader know well before a raid if you respec, too. :) @Rushing the raid Getting things organized for fast recovery is Ay Goode Thyng(tm). Rushing your raiders and being impatient is *asking* for mistakes to happen. If, for instance, I have to click off Might from my restoration shaman, I really need someone to pay attention to me in /raid when I ask for another blessing. All too often the raid is being rushed and I end up in a boss fight for which Wisdom could have *really* helped me. Just something to think about, I suppose. <> --
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| Tribal edited this message on Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 23:25 | ||
| Kavanagh | » #283760 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 19:15 | |
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I'm not sure if you realize how much of a hassle it is to personalize paladin buffs for every class/role in the raid, DW, but, well, it is. :) Sometimes it's just such a hassle to give out all the 10-minute blessings (and keep up with them) that it's just better for you to click it off and live without the extra buff. If the tank warrior doesn't have might for the fight, well, I think he'll live. Same with every other class: one buff won't make or break the fight. :) As for rezzing? Many UI addons (such as X-Perl Unit Frames) includes a notice that "So-and-so is rezzing this person". I'm not sure what addons you are running, but asking every rezzer in your raid to make a macro when all you need to do is download an addon is probably not gonna fly. :) --
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| Kreallana | » #283761 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 19:16 | |
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This is the reason I like SmartBuff. It's not so much a hassle to get it set up at the beginning, that way. Kinda annoying, but once it's done, it's done. I had no idea Pally Power allowed you to do individual exceptions, but Gyrik says it does. I dunno - I just use SmartBuff for it :-) --
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| Gyrik | » #283765 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 19:45 | |
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Stuffs! I really with the LO boards showed previous posts in this window, so's I could extract quotes where needed. Ah well. Tribal: I actually didn't know until recently that PP could do individual 10 min. blessings as well (at least not at the same time). Without some sort of mod, keeping track of 10 minute blessings is annoying as hell, but since PP can do it, make sure to whisper the paladin to see if they can set it up. I know I'll be doing it from now on >.> That said, if there's a blessing that CAN benefit everyone of one class (read Salv, Wisdom) then it's easier to toss those. I also tend to prioritize blessings such that healers get their choice before Kings before DPS buffs. All DPS get salv, always. =P It's been a while since I've 'locked it up, but /agree on soulwells and shards. It's a pain, I know, but keep that shard bag full. And dear sweet yes THANK YOU, whisper summon requests to the warlock. Raid channel is spammy as hell, and people talk all over each other in Vent/TS. WTB Mute button at times. In addition to raid channels (e.g. LOhealers, LOmelee, etc.), I normally try to set up individual class channels (LOrogue, LOwarlock, etc.) to coordinate things if needed. Especially when I warlocked, I'd use it for SS assignments/rotations, curse assignments, etc. COMMUNICATION == GOOD, always. And rushing raids is bad, yes. SLow raids are bad too. Balance is nifty =D --
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| Kyranna | » #283783 Tuesday February 19, 2008 at 21:32 | |
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*shrugs* I'm still old school, have been a raiding priest for so long, I'm just used to K-Marting people after resses, watching the res monitor window to not conflict (I usually res the non ressing classes first, some ressers like to leave them to the end), and just before the boss pulls, I check every person in the raid for adequate time on DS and Fort - It's not a huge effort. As for wipe recovery period, I've never seen that as an issue in terms of length. I tend to find in my raids that boss briefs and loot rolling will take about 25% of the total raid time, wipe recovery is a fraction of that - it's really a matter of ensuring wipe recovery is in place to begin with. ~K.~ --
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