| Gyrik | #277054 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 00:58 | |
"Yub yub, Commander." WL Tank Lead |
So, I have a question. As an up and coming tankadin, I'm pushing hard to get time in Kara (including setting up a charter with friends to lead and run on a regular basis), but am wondering if there's any reason at all for me to slot for 25 mans. A small bit of Kara spelunking should let me hit uncrushable, with a solid 15 - 16k HP fully buffed, but I think I'd absolutely still be on the lower end of things, and therefore not terribly useful as a tank in the 25 man teams. My only other option, it seems, is to offer myself, respecc'd, as a healer, which would be fine if I had the gear to support it. However, focusing on tanking gear has left my healing set with a little bit to be desired. So, be thar anything I can do/think about doing, or should I stick with the rogue for 25 man slotting? --
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| StormMaster | #277067 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 02:17 | |
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Kara serves a great dual purpose in helping you gear up. First, there's some good tanking drops in there (primarly the warrior styled gear) that will give you a much larger boost in hit ponts while letting you maintain uncrushability. Secondly, you'll be getting a goodly number of badges, which lets you get the reeeally good gear. Offhand, the badge chest, legs, boots, bracers and cloak are all extremely respectable pieces that rival T5 level gear in many cases. So in short, Kara will net you the gear you need to push for heavier 25 man tanking. As to your viability in the 25 man arena, as long as you put the energy and devotion into your gear and knowing your aggro mechanics, you are as viable as any of the other tanks. 15-16k buffed with uncrushable would be good enough to be part of the tank crew on Gruul, probably picking up either Blindeye or possibly backing up on Olm. I'd shoot for 17-18k to be solid for tanking one of Mags channelers or joining the rotation for Gruul. As earlier though, a few KZ runs (and some drop luck) will do wonders for your stats. Keep at it, a good pally tank is a great character to have around ;) --
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| Senzoo | #277078 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 06:49 | |
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Storm is right there are good drops in KZ for healadin and Tankadin. ESPECIALLY for the badge items. Hell even i was tempted by the tankadin chest piece from badges up until I finally got the T4 chest. Hell there is even a belt that can be crafted for paladins that is outstanding. --
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| Gyrik | #277126 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 14:19 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Senzoo: Storm is right there are good drops in KZ for healadin and Tankadin. ESPECIALLY for the badge items. Hell even i was tempted by the tankadin chest piece from badges up until I finally got the T4 chest. Hell there is even a belt that can be crafted for paladins that is outstanding. Which belt? I remember seeing something somewhere, a while ago, but no specifics. I hear what you're saying, definitely, and the badge loot is most *certainly* drool-worthy. Getting the last few percentages towards uncrush and a few more thousands of HP, and being able to join a 25 man crew every now and then, is serious goodness, and will help cut down some of the burnout I'm sure will come from running Kara day in and day out. Thanks! --
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| Gerad | #277132 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 14:50 | |
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http://thottbot.com/i30034 Belt of the Guardian BOE: 904 AC 48 stam 13 int red and yellow socket; Bonus: 4 stam +19 Def +21 dam/heal Block Value of your shield by 33 Takes: 2 Nether Vortex 5 Hardened Admantite bars (50 Adamantite Bars) 10 Primal Water 5 Primal Earth And a crafter who can A) Make it and 2) Has the vortices (I think this is the belt he was referring to?) VS. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33524 Girdle of the Protector = 60 Badges 904 AC 40 stam Blue and Yellow Socket = 4 Stam bonus 11 Def 27 dodge 18 spellhit 23 dam/heal Yep, that new badge junk is insane. >.< |
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| Kahlil | #277135 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 15:06 | |
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*warrior here* That paladin tanking badge chest makes me sick. So sick, I'm using it on my warrior. Even with the spell damage, the itemization is so good its easily on par with the T5 chest for pure tanking awesomeness. --
Korinth, Dwarven Tnak Kahlil, Jumping Mage (Caster Lead v1.0, Lead Emeritus, BR Tank Lead Emeritus, Easterners Charter Lead) "It is well to give when asked but it is better to give unasked, through understanding." - Kahlil Gibran |
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| Guthammer | #277151 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 16:35 | |
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I have been eying the pally badge BP too. And the HP estimates sound way high to me. Gut has done all of that and more with 16k HP. I wouldn't think Paladins need more HP than warriors do to the same job... --
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| Redfang | #277179 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 18:38 | |
aka Elkheart, aka Challice |
Just out of curiosity, and not to derail the thread, but ... Do pally tanks have any issues holding second or third on Gruul (as opposed to first)? I could see second because of the damage coming in from Hurtfuls, but is that enough to keep mana where it needs to be? --
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| Gyrik | #277182 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 18:56 | |
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Paladins can OT Gruul with some difficulty, but yeah, mana starvation can be a problem. There are strategies to make things easier, but since the basic mechanic for paladin mana regen is taking damage (versus both doing and taking for warriors) you can still run into problems. Edit: Here and here are some threads on OTing Gruul as a paladin, for those interested. --
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| Gyrik edited this message on Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 19:09 | ||
| Senzoo | #277185 Tuesday January 8, 2008 at 19:42 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Gerad: http://thottbot.com/i30034 Belt of the Guardian BOE: 904 AC 48 stam 13 int red and yellow socket; Bonus: 4 stam +19 Def +21 dam/heal Block Value of your shield by 33 Takes: 2 Nether Vortex 5 Hardened Admantite bars (50 Adamantite Bars) 10 Primal Water 5 Primal Earth And a crafter who can A) Make it and 2) Has the vortices (I think this is the belt he was referring to?) A. Yes I can. 2. Yes I do <.< --
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| Gyrik | #277436 Thursday January 10, 2008 at 14:47 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Senzoo: quote: Originally posted by Gerad: http://thottbot.com/i30034 Belt of the Guardian BOE: 904 AC 48 stam 13 int red and yellow socket; Bonus: 4 stam +19 Def +21 dam/heal Block Value of your shield by 33 Takes: 2 Nether Vortex 5 Hardened Admantite bars (50 Adamantite Bars) 10 Primal Water 5 Primal Earth And a crafter who can A) Make it and 2) Has the vortices (I think this is the belt he was referring to?) A. Yes I can. 2. Yes I do <.< Hmmm... Senz, I may take you up on this until i get get the badge belt. --
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| StormMaster | #277440 Thursday January 10, 2008 at 15:15 | |
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Looking far to the future, even after you get the badge belt, the crafted belt is one of the best you can use for a Hyjal tanking set *grin* It's a good investment all around.
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| dagris | #277446 Thursday January 10, 2008 at 15:26 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Gyrik:As an up and coming tankadin, I'm pushing hard to get time in Kara (including setting up a charter with friends to lead and run on a regular basis), but am wondering if there's any reason at all for me to slot for 25 mans. Heyas, if you don't know me I'm one of the Charter leads for the Dawnbreakers and Friends charter. Just thought I would highlight this point and comment on it :) There are most definitely benefits to Paladin tanks in 25-man content. Olm on High King in Gruul's is good for a paladin tank with the ranged taunt after a death coil, but more looking to SSC/TK there are fights which almost require Paladin tanks. Morogrim almost necessitates a Paladin tank, Hydross fights love a pally tank, and they van be used in VashJ as well. That's not counting just basic standard trash tanking and things (Yay paladin tanks for murloc swarms). TK the A'lar adds are a great role for Paladin tanks, or the Solarian fight I believe. Void Reaver may have enough regular damage that a pally tank can work as one of the 2-3 tanks required there as well. We're not in Hyjal yet, but I don't stop hearing the praises of Paladins for tanking the trash in there too :) So yes, there is most definitely a demand and a place for Paladin tanks in the 25-man content, it's just the introductory content which can be a little trickier to work one in effectively (Gruul/Magtheridon) :) |
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| StormMaster | #277449 Thursday January 10, 2008 at 15:41 | |
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It should be noted in addendum to Dagris's comments that a well played paladin can (and has) main tank every encounter in the game with a single exception in Black Temple that requires spell reflect. Sometimes the best way to get into the entry level 25-man content is just to show that you have the chops to be the one standin in front of Gruul or Magtheridon *grin* --
Artalis / Khandron - 140 levels of tanking goodness! "All your aggro are belong to US!" |
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| Thel | #277467 Thursday January 10, 2008 at 16:43 | |
Like a caster, with Arrows |
So, since everyone else is ponying up, I'll throw my 2c in. The biggest thing to realize is that, while you have to be geared for an encounter, you don't have to be over-geared for it. I tanked before the free stam (grrrr), so when I first tanked prince, I had 12K hp buffed, and was 20% away from uncrushable (yea, didn't make that real public). I was terrified, but it was a great, smooth kill. As long as you have good healers (which tend to be in 25 mans, but which LO seems to be bloody flooded with <3), you could MT everything up through TK right now, assuming you pick up your last, what, 3% mitigation somewhere in SSC :) It's scary, and you'll want to be crazy overgeared. But you should, at the very least, sign up for it and go as an offtank. Trust me, if the raid leaders think you'll drop like a mage, they won't tell you to tank :) But, having been a healer too, over-geared tanks are booring, and make me give might to the rogues. And nobody wants that. --
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