| Starlear | #274763 Friday December 14, 2007 at 10:54 | |
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* Ambush: The damage multiplier on this ability has been increased from 250% to 275%. * Cheat Death: When multiple attacks land simultaenously, all those resolved after the attack which triggered Cheat Death will now have their damage reduced by 90% as intended. However, the combat log will still report them doing full damage. * Hemorrhage: Rank 4 of this ability no longer has its charges consumed by non-physical attacks and spells. * Hemorrhage weapon damage reduced from 125% to 110%, but the damage debuff has been increased. (To 42) * Hemorrhage: This ability now correctly does additional damage when its debuff has already been applied. * Preparation now resets the cooldown of Shadowstep and no longer resets the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush. * Shadowstep now adds a 3 second, 70% movement speed increase. * Sinister Calling now also increases the percentage damage bonus of Hemorrhage and Backstab by 2/4/6/8/10%. --
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| Alisia | #274768 Friday December 14, 2007 at 11:14 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Starlear: * Ambush: The damage multiplier on this ability has been increased from 250% to 275%. * Cheat Death: When multiple attacks land simultaenously, all those resolved after the attack which triggered Cheat Death will now have their damage reduced by 90% as intended. However, the combat log will still report them doing full damage. * Hemorrhage: Rank 4 of this ability no longer has its charges consumed by non-physical attacks and spells. * Hemorrhage weapon damage reduced from 125% to 110%, but the damage debuff has been increased. (To 42) * Hemorrhage: This ability now correctly does additional damage when its debuff has already been applied. * Preparation now resets the cooldown of Shadowstep and no longer resets the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush. * Shadowstep now adds a 3 second, 70% movement speed increase. * Sinister Calling now also increases the percentage damage bonus of Hemorrhage and Backstab by 2/4/6/8/10%. Interesting change there for daggers, sorta. And for hemo as long as you go down to shadowstep. --
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| Erywin | #274775 Friday December 14, 2007 at 11:43 | |
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Just as I was getting used to AR/Prep in arenas... sigh. Any thoughts on what the new Arena build will be? Mind you I am running the MH and OH Gladiator Maces. Cheers, E --
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| Starlear | #274782 Friday December 14, 2007 at 12:47 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Erywin: Just as I was getting used to AR/Prep in arenas... sigh. Any thoughts on what the new Arena build will be? Mind you I am running the MH and OH Gladiator Maces. Cheers, E 20/0/41 with either hemo or daggers. Or you can go 1x/4x combat if you want to stay maces. --
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| Amirite | #274785 Friday December 14, 2007 at 13:10 | |
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They needed to make ambush 300%, noone uses it anymore except in BGs on casters who're sitting drinking.
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| Starlear | #274790 Friday December 14, 2007 at 14:10 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Amirite: They needed to make ambush 300%, noone uses it anymore except in BGs on casters who're sitting drinking. Ambush is fine. It's more of a finisher than an opener though. But, on ptr, getting someone to 35%, then vanishing, SS ambush (4.8k+) into an evisc (3600+ with dirty deeds/master of sub) is pretty nasty. --
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| kaeble | #274792 Friday December 14, 2007 at 14:15 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Amirite: They needed to make ambush 300%, noone uses it anymore except in BGs on casters who're sitting drinking. :( --
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| Alisia | #274793 Friday December 14, 2007 at 14:20 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Starlear: Ambush is fine. It's more of a finisher than an opener though. But, on ptr, getting someone to 35%, then vanishing, SS ambush (4.8k+) into an evisc (3600+ with dirty deeds/master of sub) is pretty nasty. Especially if you have something going like a warpspring-coil so they also have 1k less armor >_> And I'm also guessing it depends if you're on the giving or the receiving end. --
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| Zephemina | #275646 Friday December 21, 2007 at 14:03 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Amirite: They needed to make ambush 300%, noone uses it anymore except in BGs on casters who're sitting drinking. I use it as my opening move on non-casters. All the time. All. The. Time. o/o/61 man. Don't make generalizations like that :P --
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| Amirite | #275648 Friday December 21, 2007 at 14:12 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Willexis: Don't make generalizations like that :P Just... wow. Never mind. I will not say it, I will not say it. Have a great day. --
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| Alisia | #275655 Friday December 21, 2007 at 16:12 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Willexis: I use it as my opening move on non-casters. All the time. All. The. Time. o/o/61 man. Don't make generalizations like that :P I think you'd be a SMIDGE happier with the following spec. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0gcoxZZEMec0hRcxkt It would increase your damage a lot, and I don't think would hurt your survivability that much. Obviously you can do whatever you want! I just, thought I'd make the suggestion. --
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| Arkhain | #275657 Friday December 21, 2007 at 17:01 | |
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| Bluedragon | #275841 Wednesday December 26, 2007 at 01:55 | |
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As for changes it will nerf, which is much need ar/prep, but it doesn't mean ar/prep wont be speced still. It still has its viablity but idk. Sub might be speced more but i doubt it, mace rogues will still be most speced whatever it is. As for what you said about that target under 35% star and you doing that amazing damage good luck because that is best and most unlikely situtaion you'll find yourself in. As for cranking that much is also hard to say because with all resil and everything that'll be very very lucky to get unless they are undergeared. The biggest thing about any spec at least for arena which is totally different from bging or pveing is you spec for your combo if you wish to be succesful, although i'm not saying it can't be done. Imo i dont see anytime in the future shadowstep being viable for arena. It doesn't sustain enough damage nor stunning capabilities to be worth it other then some high burst although if its a good team it will be abused like mutilate can be. Thats just my two cents. |
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| Seriel | #276487 Thursday January 3, 2008 at 03:32 | |
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Sucks that they would get rid of the spec so quickly, I guess people weren't used to Rogues being an actual force in high rating Arena PvP. What does suck a lot is that the 10% damage reduction on Hemo(unless you go deeper into the subtlety tree) makes the new combat/hemo raiding hybrid not ideal, since you'd have to sacrifice some essential Combat talents to bring it back up. I was having some fun with that spec but I guess it's back to 20/41. |
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| Starlear | #276898 Sunday January 6, 2008 at 13:43 | |
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Update: Yeah, looking like back to 46 combat for me in 2.3.2. I was messing with 0/20/41 shadowstep and it isn't bad at all really, but oh my god does it suck not having riposte or any of the energy regen/combo gen talents. Or mace stun. Shadowstep is almost a viable BG spec. But there's a ton of work to do for them to make it arena-friendly. The closest thing to it that is going to be decent, is going to be 21/0/40 and even that is blown away by 31/0/30. Frankly, lack of imp sprint/DW spec are nearly impossible to make up for in an arena though, you need all the sustained damage you can get. --
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