| Kreallana | #274676 Thursday December 13, 2007 at 16:27 | |
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Updated info to further clarify about idols and why idol swapping repeatedly during a fight is a bad idea.
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Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Kreallana | #275000 Monday December 17, 2007 at 03:00 | |
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Updated original post with weapon information.
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Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| dagris | #275017 Monday December 17, 2007 at 09:34 | |
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Something I learned yesterday that I hadn't known before, since that patch change to ratings the "critical strike rating" aspect of adamantite weightstones -does- transfer over for us in cat form now. Of course, the +weapon damage doesn't, but still that's a nice little bit of crit there | |
| Kreallana | #275020 Monday December 17, 2007 at 09:59 | |
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quote: Originally posted by dagris: Something I learned yesterday that I hadn't known before, since that patch change to ratings the "critical strike rating" aspect of adamantite weightstones -does- transfer over for us in cat form now. Of course, the +weapon damage doesn't, but still that's a nice little bit of crit there Ah, now this is nice. Did you see it increase on your character sheet? --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Taodyn | #275046 Monday December 17, 2007 at 12:19 | |
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Haste is no longer a consideration for most for cat dps. It is now Armor Penetration. Armor Penetration also makes the value of the Everbloom Idol that much more than the Terror Idol for catform. For those that don't like to do arenas, you might want to reconsider. Season 3 feral armor is the best you're going to get until you can hit 4/5 Tier 6. It has the +hit that none of the pve tiered sets have, more melee crit, and armor penetration. Not to mention being loaded with stamina and resilience to be ucritable for those "OH CRAP!" raid moments when you have to emergency tank. --
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| dagris | #275048 Monday December 17, 2007 at 12:21 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Kreallana: quote: Originally posted by dagris: Something I learned yesterday that I hadn't known before, since that patch change to ratings the "critical strike rating" aspect of adamantite weightstones -does- transfer over for us in cat form now. Of course, the +weapon damage doesn't, but still that's a nice little bit of crit there Ah, now this is nice. Did you see it increase on your character sheet? Yupyup :) |
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| Kreallana | #275049 Monday December 17, 2007 at 12:26 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Taodyn: Haste is no longer a consideration for most for cat dps. It is now Armor Penetration. Armor Penetration also makes the value of the Everbloom Idol that much more than the Terror Idol for catform. Aye, haste is not something worth putting focus on. And, since I believe haste to not be all that worthwhile, I do say exactly that - in several places :-) However, once you get higher up, and have all your +hit you need and a decent amount of armor pen, and ap and crit...haste doesn't hurt things. If the stats you get on something are better than what you have and there is haste on it - certainly no reason to not take the item. I tried out the abacus last night, on a whim. To see how it played out vs the hourglass. However, with drums and the abacus tripped, I was down to .82 swing time. With a base dmg of 311 per auto attack - it boosted my dps pretty nicely. I broke my personal dps record on him with the trinket change. Again, not the best fight for solid statistics - but I was interested in the results. I will have to investigate the proc rate on my hourglass to get a better feel for which is better between the two. But I have to say I was kinda surprised at this result. Everbloom is always better than the Idol of Terror for cat dps. As the math above shows. No matter what your stats. The only time the Idol of Terror would be better for a cat is when they absolutely and completely cannot get behind their target. Arena and pvp gear are great - and I'm totally intending to get the S3 set...however, many do not care to arena or pvp. It's the reason I did not go into gear specifics - simply mechanics - so people can decide what works best for them, given their play style. --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Kreallana edited this message on Monday December 17, 2007 at 18:25 | ||
| Kreallana | #275050 Monday December 17, 2007 at 12:28 | |
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quote: Originally posted by dagris: quote: Originally posted by Kreallana: Ah, now this is nice. Did you see it increase on your character sheet? Yupyup :) Cool. I'll add that tidbit to the weapon section. Thanks for the information. I may have to start carrying weightstones with me, now *groans* another bag space lost. --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| dagris | #275051 Monday December 17, 2007 at 12:33 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Kreallana:Cool. I'll add that tidbit to the weapon section. Thanks for the information. I may have to start carrying weightstones with me, now *groans* another bag space lost. At least they don't vanish everytime you die ;) |
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| Dalamaris | #281690 Thursday February 7, 2008 at 12:13 | |
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Yea still need to get the badges to replace my idol of terror. I got it before this was posted so I wasn't sure on dps lol. Will keep it for soloing and tanking when I switch back to feral. PS Wish I had the attention span to find gear and plug it into the formuals lol.... --
Dalamaris:70 Feral Druid Tannar:32 BM Hunter (work in progress) Avinda:26 Affliction Lock (work in progress) Rasac:22 Enhancement Shaman (work in progress) ---- Watch those dps charts rogues! They hurt! http://darklegacycomics.com/39.html |
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| Alisia | #281698 Thursday February 7, 2008 at 12:59 | |
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http://www.gurgleblaster.net/emmerald/ is a great source of gear comparisons, as well as all the stats. Think of it like shadowpanther is for rogues. --
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| Kreallana | #281706 Thursday February 7, 2008 at 13:18 | |
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Not really... Emmerald, unfortunately, does not have a lot of the gear from 2.3 Prior to 2.3, I would have agreed with you, and did use the site for quite a while. However, it is now sadly out of date. Currently, RAWR is one of the better options for tanking comparisons. And, it does offer the ability to compare for cats, too. For DPS comparisons, Toskk's is the one I prefer, though. I disagree with some of his assessments; but, that's just due to personal preference and how his calculations always assume Mangle is being used by the cat in question. I've requested he give an option for not having mangle as one of your specials being used (for those instances where you aren't the only feral, etc)...but it has still not manifested. I don't know that it ever will, but it would be nice :-) There is an in game addon called Rating Buster that is ok. Though Rating Buster is a little off since it doesn't compute bonuses correctly sometimes, etc so you need to pay attention to what it's really computing and not just look for red/green numbers ;-) --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Alisia | #281707 Thursday February 7, 2008 at 13:26 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Kreallana: Not really Emmerald, unfortunately, does not have a lot of the gear from 2.3 Prior to 2.3, I would completely agree with you. Currently, RAWR is one of the better options for tanking comparisons...or in game addon called Rating Buster. Though Rating Buster is a little off since it doesn't compute pure AP bonuses sometimes, etc. Gah... I thought it had been updated with 2.3. I know there's an online one that has been updated, since that's what my husband has been using. I'll get it from him later on tonight. But this thread needed SOME link to a gear comparison sheet. --
Ghostcrawler: "Rogue talents are hard because the class is ultimately very mathy." Ghostcrawler is secretly Barbie? |
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| Kreallana | #281708 Thursday February 7, 2008 at 13:28 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Alisia: But this thread needed SOME link to a gear comparison sheet. I linked to Toskk's in quite a few places, actually. But a bear one, yes. I can put the comparison information on the first post for ease of access. Edit: Ah!! Emmerald has updated....the site you linked to is the old one New one: http://www.emmerald.net/ It does have the 2.3 gear in it. Many happy times ahead. I appreciate Emmerald's gear lists, it's good to have them back. --
Nykka, Kreallana, Krea, Rwnaella - AoC Kreallana, Enheduannah, Talwien, Ghula - WoW Nykka, Kreallana, Rwnaella, Dremmavae - WAR "my defensive skills consist primarily of running and screaming for mercy.", [Michael A. Ventrella, Arch Enemies] |
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| Kreallana edited this message on Thursday February 7, 2008 at 14:09 | ||
| Alisia | #281716 Thursday February 7, 2008 at 14:23 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Kreallana: I linked to Toskk's in quite a few places, actually. But a bear one, yes. Edit: Ah!! Emmerald has updated....the site you linked to is the old one New one: http://www.emmerald.net/ It does have the 2.3 gear in it. Many happy times ahead. I appreciate Emmerald's gear lists, it's good to have them back. yeah, when I saw the toskk's somehow I thought it was more of a theorycraft, pure dps math site. Rather than including gear comparison. I'm glad you were able to find the new one, I couldn't remember anything but a few of the phrases from the headers. Which of course found the old one first. --
Ghostcrawler: "Rogue talents are hard because the class is ultimately very mathy." Ghostcrawler is secretly Barbie? |
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