| Szili | #264109 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 13:18 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Tenatia: What Quinn said about tanking being a cooldown dance is exactly right in my experience. As a tank, I'm focused on my button bar, with occasional glances at Omen/health. I rely on audible queues for health warnings more than watching my own health bar. I find this is true in almost every class I play, in most roles. The sheer number of abilities warriors have, though, is daunting. :) Sometimes I miss the days of 'SSx5 Evis rinse lather repeat'. --
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| Tenatia | #264111 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 13:28 | |
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I found on my priest I was staring at the raid's healthbars, and less at actual cooldowns, and on my warlock, I tend to be more boss aware, and watching my debuff timer and castbar more than anything else. Tanking is easily the most challenging role that I have tried.
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| Rameses | #264113 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 13:46 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Tenatia: For that macro that queues Heroic Strike in front of your other abilities, could you also stick a shield block on the same macro, since it doesn't flag GCD? ie) /cast Shield Block /cast Heroic Strike /cast Devastate === What Quinn said about tanking being a cooldown dance is exactly right in my experience. As a tank, I'm focused on my button bar, with occasional glances at Omen/health. I rely on audible queues for health warnings more than watching my own health bar. The thing that worries me most, as that I've been playing Grimjim since day one with a certain button setup, and now that I'm adding macros and needing to optimize response time, I'm going to need to reorganize my layout, which could be a PITA transition:) Yes, you can have the shield block and heroic strike before the devastate. However, the macro will cast shield block prior to devastate, so in low rage situations, you may end up spending your limited rage on a shield block rather than on a devastate. I had the same experience when I first started tanking and staring at cooldowns on my button bar rather than at the fight. So I added macros to help fix that issue. I found simply being able to queue heroic strikes and shield blocks automatically when I hit my other abilities (like sunder and revenge) made it easier for me to watch the fight. Having various macros that incorporate /startattack help as well, like: /cast Taunt /startattack or /cast Sunder /startattack or #show #showtooltip Shield Slam /castsequence reset=3/combat Shield Slam, Devastate, Devastate /cast Heroic Strike /startattack |
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| Tenatia | #264115 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 13:55 | |
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Out of curiousity, does putting /startcombat in reset your swing timer if you're already in combat? I know that generally with tanking weapons they tend to be fast enough as to not be an issue, but it would be good to know for those OT fights where I'm swinging the polearm.
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Grimjim Stonebreaker, Dwarf, 70 Protection Warrior, Health: 13.6k, Armour:16k, Defense: ~495 // Attuned for: Ony/MC/BWL/Kara Tenatia Saendar, Human, 70 Demonology Warlock // Attuned for: Ony/MC/BWL/Naxx/Kara Pietro Loyallar, Human, 70 Priest // Attuned for: Ony/MC/BWL/Kara Theraint Griffinforge, Dwarf, 65 Paladin // Attuned for: Ony/MC/BWL |
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| sigsegv | #264117 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 14:42 | |
Veteran of the Psychic Wars |
Personal preference, but I like to run pretty much stock... the only macro I have is for intervene on an enemy target's target. --
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| Kahlil | #264118 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 15:16 | |
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I'm with Midi on this one as well. Only macro I use is the intervene one as well.
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Korinth, Dwarven Tnak Kahlil, Jumping Mage (Caster Lead v1.0, Lead Emeritus, BR Tank Lead Emeritus, Easterners Charter Lead) "It is well to give when asked but it is better to give unasked, through understanding." - Kahlil Gibran |
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| Daikyll | #264119 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 15:18 | |
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I like to jump in, cheap shot, hit my trinkets and really burst up as much DPS as I can, then kidney shot for good measure to be SURE that the tank has no rage. When I'm done with that, I vanish and giggle. I get ALL KINDS of aggro from the tank, that way.
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| Rameses | #264120 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 15:44 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Tenatia: Out of curiousity, does putting /startcombat in reset your swing timer if you're already in combat? I know that generally with tanking weapons they tend to be fast enough as to not be an issue, but it would be good to know for those OT fights where I'm swinging the polearm. The /startattack command does not reset your swing timer if you're already in combat. It's similar to the default setting for right-clicking a mob. |
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| Catteeka | #264134 Tuesday September 4, 2007 at 21:53 | |
Okay. |
I also only use an intervene macro. I like the interactivity of tanking and play my hunter when I feel like being lazy and spamming one key. I do however have my HS key (and a few others) bound to a mouse button so I'm not trying to press so many things with my left hand.
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| Quinnaria | #264758 Tuesday September 11, 2007 at 16:18 | |
Hugz & Cookiez! |
I have respec'd. Dear God in heaven above how did I ever generate agro before Shield Slam? Where has this punch of divine "I SAID ME BITCH" been all my life? Does she have sisters? I gotta say, my DPS dropped like a seagull full of alka-seltzer, but the Maiden only had eyes for me :D Oh, the quote: trick? Worked perfectly, Cam!tart in Berserker Stance while the enemy is coming to you. Just before it reaches you, use Berserker Rage and switch to Defensive Stance. Now the only difficulty I find is getting my agro up when I'm tanking mobs that switch to the "second target" - since I'm not takin' licks, I don't generate the rage as quickly. And my "BOOM HEADSHOT" mages haven't developed a mystical detaunt, damn them. But, I think that will take using the Sunder button more, and building rage for that shield slam. Smart rage usage will be key in that situation. Or, I could just let my mages die like flies again. I have to admit - I giggled a little. Just a little. Both times. Oh-kay - I giggled a lot. Course, tell me how I was supposed to get a mob off a mage that just hit a 7k crit ;) Yeah. Mage was splattered all over that floor. --
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| Kahlil | #264764 Tuesday September 11, 2007 at 17:23 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria: Course, tell me how I was supposed to get a mob off a mage that just hit a 7k crit ;) Taunt. If that fails, giggle and grab it after the mage is dead. You COULD try some sort of "Swap to battle, mocking blow, swap back to def" save the nub mage routine, but really, if the Mage doesn't know how to mitigate his agro, a couple deaths will learn him. Or not, but either way, YOU'RE happy, and that's what counts, right? :P --
Korinth, Dwarven Tnak Kahlil, Jumping Mage (Caster Lead v1.0, Lead Emeritus, BR Tank Lead Emeritus, Easterners Charter Lead) "It is well to give when asked but it is better to give unasked, through understanding." - Kahlil Gibran |
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| Cuchulain | #264765 Tuesday September 11, 2007 at 17:49 | |
Da Cuch is burning! |
quote: Originally posted by Kahlil: Taunt. If that fails, giggle and ... "giggle"!??!?!?!?!? Not "Hartily laugh" but "giggle" you know.. like a lil gnome girl does when she's playing with her dollies :D --
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| 7_of_9 | #264766 Tuesday September 11, 2007 at 18:10 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Kahlil: quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria: Course, tell me how I was supposed to get a mob off a mage that just hit a 7k crit ;) Taunt. If that fails, giggle and grab it after the mage is dead. You COULD try some sort of "Swap to battle, mocking blow, swap back to def" save the nub mage routine, but really, if the Mage doesn't know how to mitigate his agro, a couple deaths will learn him. Or not, but either way, YOU'RE happy, and that's what counts, right? :P Don't forget, depending on the mob itself (ie alot of trash mobs) you can concussion blow which will buy the mage time for the aggro puller to get away and time for taunt to come back off of cooldown, Shield bash also helps if CB is on CD because of the daze effect the mob gets. And as someone said, dance into battle stance, mocking blow or hamstring :) Oh, and on the subject of Macros. I use Target of Target Intervene for bad cases and a "/use 13 /cast Shield Slam" macro. Other than that I don't have any macro's. --
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| Quinnaria | #264772 Tuesday September 11, 2007 at 18:29 | |
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Hugz & Cookiez! |
The target of target intervene is the only way I can ever get that sucker to work. It is a lifesaver. Oh, the taunt? Not workie on big undead assholes of KZ :D However, Stun does - I "remembered" that after I let the mages eat a death the first time :D - but yeah, really I need them to learn a bit more agro mitigation on the early trash. One is very good at it, the other - he needs a bit of learnin' ;D cattle prod style! --
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| Camryn | #264803 Wednesday September 12, 2007 at 10:19 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Quinnaria: The target of target intervene is the only way I can ever get that sucker to work. It is a lifesaver. Oh, the taunt? Not workie on big undead assholes of KZ :D However, Stun does - I "remembered" that after I let the mages eat a death the first time :D - but yeah, really I need them to learn a bit more agro mitigation on the early trash. One is very good at it, the other - he needs a bit of learnin' ;D cattle prod style! My opinion? Don't go out of your way to stop the mob. Build aggro as best you can, but when your DPS doesn't hold back as needed - let them die. If they keep doing it, they'll learn eventually. Or die a lot. Either way, I feel good about the situation. (Only true when they're being idiots, of course. If lack of aggro is on your plate - like a string of misses, or whatever - do all you can.) |
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