| Jorlana | #247467 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 13:18 | |
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Just curious what Specs you guys have tried and what you like best so far. I like Enchancement a lot, and I've been thinking of keeping that even at 70, with a few tweaks. It's a nice change for me from being a healing/caster to being a melee/healer. However, I haven't tried anything else yet, so I'm just looking for your opinions. | |
| Wammie | #247472 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 13:26 | |
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My experience with shamans, I really do like enhancment. just alot of fun. never did much of the other trees. Well other then messing around with elemental one time in un'goro... where epo kept getting me killed. >.> --
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| Banquo | #247493 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 14:09 | |
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I'll show YOU a spec. (enhancement plz I <3 windfury) --
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| Deielorae | #247499 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 14:17 | |
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I was main-healed through Sethekk Halls yesterday by an enhancement Shammy that just switched to dual-wielding healing weapons and some mana gear. It was amazing... She dropped totems and then melee'd the fuck out of everything all while spamming chain heal and healing wave, never ran out of mana even on bosses and we blew through the instance. While I'm tempted to go Elemental with mine, after seeing that shaman in action I think I'll try Enhancement first... --
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| Belami | #247505 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 14:27 | |
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im lvl 37 right now and full enhancement. the only way to go, windfury FTW!!!!! and yeah plan on going resto when i hit 70 so
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| Laminor | #247517 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 15:55 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Deielorae: I was main-healed through Sethekk Halls yesterday by an enhancement Shammy that just switched to dual-wielding healing weapons and some mana gear. It was amazing... She dropped totems and then melee'd the fuck out of everything all while spamming chain heal and healing wave, never ran out of mana even on bosses and we blew through the instance. While I'm tempted to go Elemental with mine, after seeing that shaman in action I think I'll try Enhancement first... Its really hard to "dual wield" healing weapons, since everything with +healing and most mana regen items are now main hand (blizzard decided that was OP). It coulda been some random green of healing or whatnot, but yea...when it comes down to the real stuff. You can't DW healing weapons anymore, and the shields you can get give you more armor which make you live and better stats (for healing) to heal better. Enhancement is a wonderful spec, until yesterday's patch, it was the best source of renewable DPS for a shaman, due to shamanistic rage and the fact that it doesn't use as much mana. Also, not that they fixed unleashed rage (which was one of the reasons I spec'd OUT of enhancement, it caused too much aggro, not the case as of now). Enhancement gives you the best physical DPS totems since you can improve windfury, strength of earth, grace of air. So you and your fury warrior/rogue companions will be doing the best physical DPS possible. Sadly though, the same problems that plague rogues, plague enhancement shaman too. 360 degree cleaves and PBAoE effects destroy shaman just as bad. 1k-1.5k extra armor doesn't save you in heroic, you just die. They mentioned fixing this, but they've mentioned fixing a lot of things, who knows. But for sustained, physical DPS. Enhancement is awesome. Elemental, as of yesterdays patch, definitly keeps up with sustained damage as enhancement. A high spell crit rate can keep you nuking for seemingly forever. The thing I love about elemental is that I can do way more burst damage, and as of yesterday, keep up the sustained damage. And now and then, Lightning Overload procs once or twice and you can do over 10k damage in a short period. As of yesterday they nerfed the aggro from that so it doesn't mean "Dead shaman" as it used too. Elemental also allows me to have a much larger mana pool (just short of 11k buffed w/ AI and Mark) and much larger mana regen (A talent for +10% of your int as regen) allows me to have ~120 MP5 with that mana pool. So I can heal, or nuke for a *very* long time. Enhancement spec, you can't really heal in your DPS gear. You can w/ elemental because its all +dmg/heal gear and stacked with tons of int and spell crit. You'll always be carrying a shield as well. It allows you to be more "hybridy" i guess is the appeal to me. The downfall to elemental spec is that if something gets in your face, you have to kite it with frost shock and earthbind (not exactly easy to do when its already up on you, due to daze and all that) *or* you can try and cast through the hits. However, elemental shaman have no pushback talents. Every hit is going to make you cast longer. This is where enchancement truely shines. Because they don't care if they are up in your face. Resto Spec is pretty obvious. Your an insanely awesome healer. Earth Shield allows you to never be interupted, and you heal yourself when you get hit. Alternatively, you can cast earth shield on your tank, and they get healed for 400-700 every time they get hit. Kind of like a single target Prayer of Mending type deal. Nature's swiftness saves peoples asses, and there is an amazing treat talent that every time you get hit under 30% health, you automatically fade and heal yourself for TEN PERCENT of your life. Not a flat amount, a straight %. Between earth shield, that talent, and having about 7-8k armor at level 70 (Mail + Shield) you are by far one of the most durable healers in the game. Paladins may have more armor with plate, but the utility of earth shield, and aggro redux, they don't have at all. Chain heal, with +healing talents and imp chain heal, is pure sex. Healing my main target for 3k almost while hitting two other targets for 1 and 2k spot heals? For no more cast time than healing wave? Yes please. Now for solo/farming capability? It kind of sucks. Its not all bad though. The talent before earth shield gives +30% of your int as +dmg/heal. So resto spec actually gives you more +dmg/heal than elemental spec, and earth shield gives you a nice luxury or avoiding pushback on spells now and then. You just won't have +100% damage spell crits or faster cast times. So you kill a lil slower, but honestly, what did you expect? Your a healing spec. Get one of those dumb fury warriors to do your bidding, promise them cookies and the occasional heal <.< I have actually done all three of these specs at level 65+ and those are my experience. My current spec now is Elemental/Resto. 41/0/20. I took totem of wrath over nature's swiftness because it helps all the healers and casters in my group constantly, opposed to NS helping me only once every 2 minutes. --
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| Dalamaris | #247528 Wednesday March 7, 2007 at 16:49 | |
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I like enhancement really. It reminds me of being feral I guess. They are both the best viable lvling spec for both classes (elemental comes close but not close enough)and they both can have some crazy dps. They were going to nerf WF where all the lvls of WF had the same cool down time between procs so you couldnt get a rank 5 WF proc and then have a rank 4 WF proc. But the didnt nerf that so enchancement dps is still great. I consider enhancement to be more burst seeing as how SS has a 10 sec cool down and WF is a chance on hit thing. I've hit SS have both ranks of WF proc and have had both SS and all the strikes from WF proc and that basically get the mob. An earth shock finishes it off. Normally you couldn't get that kind of dps sustained. Thats why I think enhancement shamans are bit more bust damage oriented.
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| Dworkin | #247574 Thursday March 8, 2007 at 08:06 | |
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I think which of the three would be most useful is going to depend - like most hybrids - on overall group/raid makeup. Enhancement currently, may swap to resto eventually once I am 70. Still undecided, but as has been posted currently a resto spec is more useful in heroic than an enhancement seems to be. I think Elemental is perfectly viable... but with a warlock and a warrior as my other 60 + toons I will play my lock when a ranged magic dps is required. |
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| Laminor | #247765 Thursday March 8, 2007 at 20:08 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Dalamaris: I consider enhancement to be more burst seeing as how SS has a 10 sec cool down and WF is a chance on hit thing. I've hit SS have both ranks of WF proc and have had both SS and all the strikes from WF proc and that basically get the mob. An earth shock finishes it off. Normally you couldn't get that kind of dps sustained. Thats why I think enhancement shamans are bit more bust damage oriented. I tried out both with average ish gear at 70. Enhancement is good burst damage, but there is no way you can do 10-20k damage in a few seconds like you can with elemental (Yes 20k its a little bit of a rare situation, but 10k somewhat often isn't. Ask any tank who has grouped with me <.<). At your lower levels? Oh yes. Enhancement is WAY more burst. At 70. Elemental spec is critting Lightning Bolts for 3000+ have chances to cast them in rapid sucession (Lightning Overload, and yes Lightning Overload CAN proc off itself). While I do not doubt the damage of enhancement for a moment. I just haven't ever been able to do that much damage with it. Here is how the elemental burst works for me. Warm up a lighning bolt: Crit, 3k. Lightning Overload Proc 3k. Elemental Mastery, Chain Lightning 3.3k Earth Shock, 1-2k. From the second that the first bolt hit, he took over 10k damage, that isn't mitigated by his armor in anyway. Getting many crits in a row isn't a rare thing for shaman either. They have +11% to crit with talents, and with current level 70 itemization non-raid gear, I'm getting about 22% crit from gear. Oh yea, +3% crit from Totem of Wrath too. Grand total of 36% The one thing I miss about enhancement is the fact when that burst damage pulls aggro, I can't do nearly as much since I have no non-interuption talents =( --
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| Dalamaris | #248084 Monday March 12, 2007 at 15:20 | |
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So would you say going elemental spec is better for raid, pvp, and pve?
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| Jorlana | #248137 Tuesday March 13, 2007 at 08:03 | |
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Playing with the talent calculator last night I was looking at Elemental/Resto builds and came up with a few combinations I liked. 40/0/21 looks promising although the wrath totem is very tempting, what I wouldn't do for just one more point. With NS and EM both you can get a free, instant, crit LB or CL every three minutes MMMMM. | |
| Rajin | #248145 Tuesday March 13, 2007 at 09:28 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Jorlana: With NS and EM both you can get a free, instant, crit LB or CL every three minutes MMMMM. With all those acronyms, I almost thought this was the Rogue forum. Personally I like: CS -> BS -> KS -> BS -> LOLOL THE MEXICUTIONER STRIKES AGAIN! BWAHAHA!!  -Rajin |
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| Jorlana | #248150 Tuesday March 13, 2007 at 09:38 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Rajin: quote: Originally posted by Jorlana: With NS and EM both you can get a free, instant, crit LB or CL every three minutes MMMMM. With all those acronyms, I almost thought this was the Rogue forum. Personally I like: CS -> BS -> KS -> BS -> LOLOL THE MEXICUTIONER STRIKES AGAIN! BWAHAHA!! -Rajin BE GONE HEATHEN! |
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| Epo | #248175 Tuesday March 13, 2007 at 11:08 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Jorlana: With NS and EM both you can get a free, instant, crit LB or CL every three minutes MMMMM. Three minute Shaman! |
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| Deielorae | #248177 Tuesday March 13, 2007 at 11:21 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Laminor: quote: Originally posted by Deielorae: I was main-healed through Sethekk Halls yesterday by an enhancement Shammy that just switched to dual-wielding healing weapons and some mana gear. It was amazing... She dropped totems and then melee'd the fuck out of everything all while spamming chain heal and healing wave, never ran out of mana even on bosses and we blew through the instance. While I'm tempted to go Elemental with mine, after seeing that shaman in action I think I'll try Enhancement first... Its really hard to "dual wield" healing weapons, since everything with +healing and most mana regen items are now main hand (blizzard decided that was OP). It coulda been some random green of healing or whatnot, but yea...when it comes down to the real stuff. You can't DW healing weapons anymore, and the shields you can get give you more armor which make you live and better stats (for healing) to heal better. She was Mainhanding the Diamond-core Sledgemace from Furnace, and offhanding the healing Vibro dagger from the quest in Blade's Edge. They did *not* MH all healing weapons. --
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