Raiding Leftovers Information


LOP 3.1

I. Purpose Statement.

The purpose of this document is to lay out the ground rules by which the Leftovers Community Raiding organization handles loot drops during raids. Please note that this applies to all sanctioned Leftovers Raids of 10-man or 25-man type, and do not apply to normal and heroic 5-man dungeons, or LFR.
  • A. Shroud Loot System. Leftovers uses a Shroud Loot System that has been modified to manage the variety of items and raiding structures present within Leftovers. The basics of this system are simple:
    1. All bids are done via whisper to the designated loot master for the bid.
    2. Shroud Bids cost half your points or a minimum of 10, highest wins. 10 points are required to bid shroud. Ties /roll off.
    3. Standard bids cost 10 points. All bidders will /roll to determine winner.
    4. Save bids cost 10 points. All bidders will /roll to determine winner.
    5. Shrouds beat Standards which beat Saves. Bid type determines interest level. A bidder may choose to pass their priority before loot is awarded; in which case, the item is awarded to the next-highest bidder.
    6. There is no minimum point requirement to bid standard or save, however negative point totals are reset to 0 immediately following any purchase.
  • B. Acceptable Use.
    1. BOE items. The following are acceptable things to do with a Bind-on-Equip item that you win on a Leftovers raid:
      • Sell it
      • Give it to an alt
      • Use it for any purpose whatsoever. It is yours.
    2. BOP items. BOP items you win with LOP cannot be sold to other players. Furthermore, such items cannot be traded or given away unless:
      • There has been an error in looting
      • You get an upgrade item before the trade timeframe expires. In this event you can give the first item away if you like, but we strongly advise you to let your raid and/or CL know.
      • Note: Regardless of the circumstance, your points will not be refunded. Think before you bid ;)
  • C. Loot Griefing. Please let us know if you get grief over your intended use of an item, from ANYONE including the raid lead. It is not OK. We know there are extreme exceptions to this and they will be dealt with as exceptions. If someone is an asshat (for example, buying loot and destroying it just so someone else can't get it) we have ways of dealing with them, so please let us know about that as well.

II. Loot Process

  • A. Loot Drops. When an item drops that is appropriate to be bid on, the loot master will link the item in Raid or Raid Warning chat and call for whisper bids to be made. Multiple instances of the same item (i.e. boe's saved til the end, identical drops from one set of trash, tokens of the same type, etc) should be be bid on together under a single bid call. Anyone interested in the item(s) should whisper the loot master with their level of interest (Save, Standard, or Shroud) at this time.
  • B. Bidding Period. The loot master will announce when the bidding period (which varies in length by charter) is closing. Once bids are closed, the loot master will look through the list of tells for the person with the highest bid level.
  • C. Shroud Bids. If there are Shroud bids, the loot master will check point totals of all Shroud bidders, and assign the item to the person with the highest point total.
  • D. Standard Bids. If the highest bid is a Standard, the loot master calls for all Standard bidders to roll. Highest roll wins the item and the item is assigned to the winner at that time.
  • E. Save Bids. If the highest bid is a Save bid, the loot master calls for all Save bidders to roll. Highest roll wins, and the item is assigned to the winner at that time.
  • F. No Competitors. If there is only one bid of a given type and that would win the bid, no roll is needed. If the winning bid is a Shroud bid, but no other Shroud or Standard bids are made, the Shroud bidder is automatically downgraded to Standard. In the case of multiple items, if the total number of Shroud and Standard bids are equal to or fewer than the total number of items, all Shroud bids will be downgraded to Standard. Shroud is ONLY used in order to gain priority; if it is not necessary to gain priority for the item, the bid is downgraded.
  • G. Winners. When announcing a winner, the loot master announces the roll type and point total (if shroud) and should give a brief window to allow for possible corrections or passes before loot is finalized.
  • H. EasyLOP. This procedure may be automated via the EasyLOP plugin, and optimizations are allowed to avoid excessive typing (by doing voice announces only and using the loot popup window as a roll tracker) in situations where speed is paramount (such as Mount Hyjal).
  • I. Conflicts of Interest. Conflicts of interest are to be avoided at all times. If the Loot Master desires to bid on an item, he/she shall designate another individual to receive bids for that particular item as the Proxy Loot Master for that particular roll. The Proxy Loot Master will then go through the loot process outlined in sections B-G as if he were the Loot Master. This individual does not need to be another Lead, nor do they necessarily need to be a member of the raid. They just need to be another person who is able to take in-game whispers at the time of the loot bids. The Loot Master will still assign the loot per normal; this rule is intended to prevent loot collusion only.

III. Loot Categories

There are several categories of loot that are covered by LOP 3.1, some of which are handled differently than in previous incarnations of the loot system. These are listed in this section.

  • A. Bind on Pickup Items. Any item that drops in a 10-man or 25-man instance that is Bind on Pickup (BoP) and is not distributed automatically to the entire raid by Blizzard's loot systems (such as Badges of Justice) are governed by standard LOP 3.1 rules, unless the item is of uncommon (green) quality. This includes, but is not limited to: Tier Tokens, crafting reagents, and gear.
    • Un-purchased BOP Epic loot. If no one expressed an interest in Shroud, Standard or Save, the item may not be picked up for use. If possible, the loot master may choose to disenchant the item or vendor it for cash. The DE proceeds shall be used as the Charter Discretion sees fit. If DE or vendoring the item is not possible, the item will be left to rot. The only exceptions to this rule are Bags, Mounts and Vanity Pets. These items are to be treated exactly as BoE Epic Loot, described below.
  • B. Bind on Equip Gear. Any wearable gear that is of Epic quality that may drop, to include world-drop items, must be offered for bids. However, since the items are BoE, they may be collected by the loot master and held until the end of the raid in the interest of saving time and momentum. If no bids are taken on the item, it will be handled per Charter Discretion.
  • C. Patterns. Any and all patterns that are a raid-only drop are to be offered for points. Any patterns that are non-Bind may be held by the charter until the end of the raid in the interests of saving time and momentum, at which time they are to be offered for points. Any pattern not taken for points goes to Charter Discretion, including Bind-on-Pickup Patterns. This is to encourage crafters to take patterns that will benefit other raid members more than themselves.
  • D. Legendary Items. All Legendary items are evaluated by the Overall Leads on a case-by-case basis to determine if any special handling for the nature of these unique items is required. Please be aware that handling of one particular Legendary will almost certainly have no bearing on another Legendary, and that some of these rather unique items may in fact be handled by standard LOP 3.1 Rules.
  • E. The Key to the Focusing Iris and Archivum Data Disc. Due to the requirement of these items to open a further raid encounter, there are very limited and specific rules governing thier first drops with a Charter. This rule is designed to help a Charter progress without being detrimental to a raider's desire for the quest item. In both 10 and 25 charters the first two of these that drop must go to a Charter Lead and that Lead must pay 10 points for the item. If they so choose, the Charter may forgo this Priority. However, it is only allowed for those first two kills.
  • F. Non-Bind Raiding Items. Any item that is not covered in another section, and is available solely through raid instances or purchasable via raid badges, that may drop during a raid will go straight to the discretion of the Charter for distributing and/or banking. In Burning Crusade terms, this would include Nether Vortices, Sunmotes, Hearts of Darkness, and Marks of the Illidari, among others.

IV. Points Earning

Points earning for a raid are based on time-based objectives only, rather than based on a scheme of points for boss kills. It is Leftovers' desire that any contribution should be treated the same, and time-based tracking is the best way to handle this. Points awards are based on allowing a new raider on a three hour raid to be able to shroud on her second raid. Please be aware that only current content earns points; points are not earned nor required for Old-World or Burning Crusade content. LFR runs are never done for points.

  • A. Raid Duration. Raiders are awarded one point per quarter-hour of attendance in the raid, rounded to the nearest quarter-hour on a per-raid basis. This means a one hour, two minute raid would be worth four points (rounded to one hour), while a one hour, ten minute raid would be worth five points (rounded to one and a quarter hours).

V. Charter Discretion

Charter Discretion means that the individual Charters decide how to handle the distribution of these items. Below are the guidelines for ensuring that this information is always available to the Raiders in some fashion.

  • A. Notification. A charter must notify raiders of its Charter Discretion policies up front. To that end, ALL Charters will be required to list, in detail, how they handle Charter Discretion items in their Charter document. This document is automatically displayed when anyone signs up for a given charter. This should cover any instance-specific items in their entirety for any instances that the charter is raiding. This should be kept up-to-date at all times.
  • B. Forums. If a charter has a Forum, it is recommended that they post a copy of their Charter Discretion policies in that forum. Also, if the Charter is maintaining a bank, they are strongly advised to keep a post inventorying the contents of said bank in their forums as well. All Charters are able to have a forum set up on the Leftovers website; please contact an Overall Lead in order to set up a forum for your charter if needed.
  • C. Raid Time. Any Charter Discretion items that may apply on a given raid should be announced at the beginning of the raid. This may be done over voice chat such as Teamspeak or Ventrilo as long as everyone is present and able to hear you; however, it is safer to simply broadcast it via Raid chat or Raid Warning. This may be kept to an absolute minimum of information in the interests of reducing the time needed for it.
  • D. Acceptable Use. Charter Discretion items are definitely up to the individual charter to decide how best to handle. However, they in general should be dealt with in a manner consistent with the good of the charter. If you are banking items, ensure that your raiders know how to best contact you about these items and that there are guidelines for requests. It is acceptable to, for example, bank all gems and give them to anyone who wins a socketed item. It is not acceptable, however, to bank gems and allow only officers to access them for personal use or to sell. In essence, common sense is your best guide here.