Raiding Leftovers Information

Loot and Points

On This Page

  1. Earning and Spending
  2. Charter Discretion
  3. Quest and Legendary Items
  4. Loot Collusion and Griefing
  5. LOP Frequently Asked Questions

Related Links

  1. WoW Leftovers Loot Policies (Official)
  2. SWTOR LOP
  3. Charter System

Leftovers uses a points system to reward attendance and award loot. This points system is known as LOP, and the current version for WoW is found within the WoW Leftovers Loot Policies, and for SWTOR is SWTOR-LOPWhile every effort is made to keep this page up-to-date, please note that in the event of a conflict, the loot policy document will take precedence. As of 10/1/12, this page is under revision. Please refer to the documentation linked for details.

Points are tracked individually for each character (not player). In WoW, there are separate point totals in  for level 60, 70, 80, 85 and 90 raid instances. Level 70 and 80 raids have separate points pools are further divided into 10- and 25-man points. There is only one points pool each for level 85 or 90 raids.  In SWTOR there are points pools for level 50 and 55 content, though which raids are available for points are adjusted based on need. Check SWTOR-LOP for more details.

Points are common across all Leftovers Charters utilizing their game's version of LOP. Points earned in one charter's raid can be spent in another charter's raid. This allows raiders to move between charters, as their schedule and play-style dictates.


Earning and Spending

LOP is used for all official, chartered LOP raids. The basics of the points system are:

  • You earn points for time spent in an official, chartered Leftovers raid, at a rate of 1 point for each 15 minutes.
  • When loot drops, you may spend points in one of three ways:
    • Shroud: "I really, really want this." You must have 10 or more points to bid Shroud, which is about the number of points that you earn in a standard raid. If several people really, really want the item, the one with the most points wins. Any item won with a Shroud bid costs half of the bidder's points. This type of bid takes priority over all other types.
    • Standard: "I want this, but if someone else really, really wants this, give it to them." If no one bids Shroud, the next people in line for the loot are those who bid Standard. Standard bidders take their chances by rolling /random 100 against everyone else who rolled standard. The winner of the rolls pays 10 points, regardless of the number of points they currently have. Note that a Shroud always trumps a Standard; a Shrouder with 20 points will beat a Standard roller who has 100 points.
    • Save: "I can use it for an off-set or an alt, or just to save it from being disenchanted. But if someone else wants it, give it to them instead." This is the lowest priority bid, after Shroud and Standard. All items won with a Save bid cost 10 points, and multiple Save bids are tie-broken with a /random 100.
If an item is not bid on by a raid member, there are several ways it can be handled depending on the type of item. Please refer to the game appropriate LOP policy for full details.

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Charter Discretion

A number of raid-drop items are considered to be Charter Discretion. The criteria that determines these items can be found in the LOP Policy for your game.

Every charter can handle Charter Discretion (CD) loot however they wish. Each charter must indicate their CD policies on their Charter Description page, and every raider is expected to be familiar with a charter's CD rules before attending a raid with that charter.

Charter Discretion rules cannot override or be in conflict with LOP. In the instance that this does occur, LOP takes precedence and the matter should be brought to the attention of the Charter's Leads and the Game Team Leads in a Private Message.

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Quest and Legendary Items

Several items, notably including Quest and Legendary Items, have special rules around their points expenditure. For the most up-to-date information on loot exceptions, see the LOP Policy for your game.

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Loot Collusion and Griefing

Loot collusion is bad, and is likely to result in your Leftovers raid privileges being removed.  Loot collusion includes, but is not limited to:

  • Bidding on items on behalf of another person
  • Bidding on BOP items for sale
  • Indicating what you intend to bid for an item, which can influence others' bids

Similarly, loot griefing is bad, and is also likely to result in your Leftovers raid privileges being removed. Loot griefing includes, but is not limited to:

  • Telling people what they may or may not bid on (unless there is a game-system reason for doing so -- e.g. a cloth wearer bidding on BOP plate, which they cannot equip).
  • Asking someone to change their bid to another person's advantage

In general, the safest way to proceed is as follows: When loot drops, whisper the person taking tells with your bid if you're interested. Once the winner has been announced, congratulate them. Don't talk about bids before they're final, and don't gripe about them once they've happened.

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LOP Frequently Asked Questions

How many points do I have?

At any time, you may view your current and correct points total by clicking on My Characters and selecting the points link for the character you wish to view. The whole points list can be viewed here -- but be aware, this is a very large page and will take a long time to load.

S/S/S?

Short-hand for Shroud/Standard/Save. Used by some charters to indicate when an item is open for bids.

Can points be shared/transferred between characters?

No. Points are tied to a character. They cannot be transferred or shared.

I just faction changed / name changed. Do I lose my points?

No. If you faction change, your points will follow you over. If you name change (voluntary or otherwise), please do not add a new character to your account with the new name. Instead, contact the appropriate Game Team Leads to have your name changed on our system so you don't lose your points.

I don't have any points. Can I still win loot?

Yes! You may bid on (and win) items with Standard and/or Save rolls, regardless of how many points you have. You will have the same chance to win the item as anyone else who placed the same bid as you, regardless of how many points they have. The exception to this rule is for Shroud bids. You must have 10 points to Shroud, and the Shroud-bidder with the highest point total will win the item.

If I have only 5 points and I win an item with a Standard or a Save, do I go into negative points?

If you win an item on a Standard/Save and have less than 10 points, you will be charged as many points as you have. Your point totals never go negative. If you have no points and win a roll, you get the item for free!

My buddy, Bob, is on a raid with me. A really cool BoP item he can use drops, but he doesn't have enough points to win a shroud bid for it. I do. Can I shroud on it, and have the item given to him?

No. This is loot collusion, and can get you banned from Leftovers. Don't do it. If you bid on a BoP item, you are expected to use it.

What can I do with BoE items?

If you purchase a BoE item in a raid, you may do with it whatever you like: equip it, sell it, trade it to a friend, mail it to an alt. Some charters may request that you only bid Save on items that you do not plan to equip. You may choose to disregard this preference, but don't be surprised if that charter doesn't slot you again.

Why can I can give away a BoE item if I purchase it, but not a BoP item?

When you pay for an item, the item is given to you. Since BoE items don't bind on pickup, you may do with them as you will. But under LOP, you cannot transfer ownership of a BoP items. Your points belong ONLY to you - and shouldn't be used to buy gear for someone else present at the raid. The only exceptions are in the rare circumstance of getting an upgrade to a prior bought item in the 2 hour window open for trade, and there are very specific rules about how this must be done (see your game's LOP Policy for details). This and looting error are the only times trading a BoP are acceptable.

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